Posted on 12/14/2014 11:57:21 AM PST by ealgeone
The reason for this article is to determine if the worship/veneration given to Mary by the catholic church is justified from a Biblical perspective. This will be evaluated using the Biblical standard and not man’s standard.
The Father draws through the saints.
Better after every rosary I say.
1 Corinthians 1:18-31 For the word of the cross is folly to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. For it is written,“I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and the discernment of the discerning I will thwart.”
Where is the one who is wise? Where is the scribe? Where is the debater of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world? For since, in the wisdom of God, the world did not know God through wisdom, it pleased God through the folly of what we preach to save those who believe. For Jews demand signs and Greeks seek wisdom, but we preach Christ crucified, a stumbling block to Jews and folly to Gentiles, but to those who are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God. For the foolishness of God is wiser than men, and the weakness of God is stronger than men.
For consider your calling, brothers: not many of you were wise according to worldly standards, not many were powerful, not many were of noble birth. But God chose what is foolish in the world to shame the wise; God chose what is weak in the world to shame the strong; God chose what is low and despised in the world, even things that are not, to bring to nothing things that are, so that no human being might boast in the presence of God. And because of him you are in Christ Jesus, who became to us wisdom from God, righteousness and sanctification and redemption, so that, as it is written, “Let the one who boasts, boast in the Lord.”
1 Corinthians 2:1-16 And I, when I came to you, brothers, did not come proclaiming to you the testimony of God with lofty speech or wisdom. For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ and him crucified. And I was with you in weakness and in fear and much trembling, and my speech and my message were not in plausible words of wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power, so that your faith might not rest in the wisdom of men but in the power of God.
Yet among the mature we do impart wisdom, although it is not a wisdom of this age or of the rulers of this age, who are doomed to pass away. But we impart a secret and hidden wisdom of God, which God decreed before the ages for our glory. None of the rulers of this age understood this, for if they had, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory. But, as it is written,
“What no eye has seen, nor ear heard, nor the heart of man imagined, what God has prepared for those who love him”—
these things God has revealed to us through the Spirit. For the Spirit searches everything, even the depths of God. For who knows a person's thoughts except the spirit of that person, which is in him? So also no one comprehends the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God. Now we have received not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, that we might understand the things freely given us by God. And we impart this in words not taught by human wisdom but taught by the Spirit, interpreting spiritual truths to those who are spiritual.
The natural person does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are folly to him, and he is not able to understand them because they are spiritually discerned. The spiritual person judges all things, but is himself to be judged by no one. “For who has understood the mind of the Lord so as to instruct him?” But we have the mind of Christ.
No, nothing in these say that what Paul taught Timothy is contained in the Scripture.
Very well done. Thank you.
Where are the spelling and grammar police when you need them?
That passage does not say that the Apostolic Tradition is entirely contained in the Scripture. It says that God gave us the scripture — true — and that it is the foundation of our faith. Foundation by definition means that something is built on top of it.
“St. Paul speaks of the body of Christ in 1 Cor 11:23-30 in the same way Christ himself spoke of it: as His literal body, not the Christian assembly.
Paul’s argument about treatment of individual believers in the local Body of Christ is buttressed by presenting what Christ told Paul - that the sacrifice must be received in a worthy state. He uses the description of judging yourself (examining) before receiving Christ’s body by judging your relationships with other believers. This is what “discerning” means in Greek.
Paul uses this description of self-judgement, especially our treatment of other believers, as a sub-point in the broader instructions before and after this sub-point. It is the central idea of this complete unit of thought. This is seen in the Greek sentence structure, the context of the entire unit of thought, the juxtaposition of His physical Body and His spiritual Body of believers, and in the Greek words for judging, discerning, etc. your relationships with those fellow believers.
Paul’s point is that you cannot receive Christ’s Last Supper elements worthily unless you are in a right relationship with Christ’s Body of believers.
The double speak of Catholicism gets them in a double standard and they don’t even recognize it.
“To take a relic and heal the sick with it is already “keeping”; plus I don’t imagine after that the miraculous cloth was discarded as an empty pill bottle. What would they do if someone else gets sick?”
It was certainly “transporting. The Scripture does not say it was kept, nor used again ever.
LOL And Catholics make fun of the snake handlers. Does every Catholic household have a bottle of fish gut potion?
DECREE ON JUSTIFICATION (anathemas)
http://history.hanover.edu/texts/trent/ct06.html
Canon 9. If anyone says that the sinner is justified by faith alone, meaning that nothing else is required to cooperate in order to obtain the grace of justification, and that it is not in any way necessary that he be prepared and disposed by the action of his own will, let him be anathema.
Canon 19. If anyone says that nothing besides faith is commanded in the Gospel, that other things are indifferent, neither commanded nor forbidden, but free; or that the ten commandments in no way pertain to Christians, let him be anathema.
Canon 24. If anyone says that the justice received is not preserved and also not increased before God through good works, but that those works are merely the fruits and signs of justification obtained, but not the cause of its increase, let him be anathema.
Canon 27. If anyone says that there is no mortal sin except that of unbelief, or that grace once received is not lost through any other sin however grievous and enormous except by that of unbelief, let him be anathema.
I didn’t say he did.
He doesn’t deserve ANY followers, IMO.
The verb used in Luke 1:28
χαριτόω, verb,
Cognate: 5487 xaritóō (from 5486 /xárisma, "grace," see there) – properly, highly-favored because receptive to God's grace. 5487 (xaritóō) is used twice in the NT (Lk 1:28 and Eph 1:6), both times of God extending Himself to freely bestow grace (favor).
Cognate: 5486 xárisma (from "grace," 5485 /xáris) – properly, the operation of grace (divine favor), i.e. a grace-endowment to edify the Church (note the -ma suffix, focusing on the end-result of the endowment of grace).
5486 /xárisma ("grace-gift") divinely empowers a believer to share God's work with others, i.e. Spirit-empowered service to the Church to carry out His plan for His people.
[5486 /xárisma (but not limited to) "spiritual gifts." xarismata (the plural form) literally means "grace-endowments."]
Cognate: 5485 xáris (another feminine noun from xar-, "favor, disposed to, inclined, favorable towards, leaning towards to share benefit") – properly, grace. 5485 (xáris) is preeminently used of the Lord's favor – freely extended to give Himself away to people (because He is "always leaning toward them").
5485 /xáris ("grace") answers directly to the Hebrew (OT) term 2580 /Kaná ("grace, extension-toward"). Both refer to God freely extending Himself (His favor, grace), reaching (inclining) to people because He is disposed to bless (be near) them.
[5485 (xáris) is sometimes rendered "thanks" but the core-idea is "favor, grace" ("extension towards").]
HELPS Word-studies
Wrong. The Father draws through the Holy Spirit.
On that we agree
Here:
και δωσω σοι τας κλεις της βασιλειας των ουρανων και ο εαν δησης επι της γης εσται δεδεμενον εν τοις ουρανοις και ο εαν λυσης επι της γης εσται λελυμενον εν τοις ουρανοις (Matthew 16:19)Which is
And I will give to thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven. And whatsoever thou shalt bind upon earth, it shall be bound also in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose upon earth, it shall be loosed also in heaven.
αμην λεγω υμιν οσα εαν δησητε επι της γης εσται δεδεμενα εν τω ουρανω και οσα εαν λυσητε επι της γης εσται λελυμενα εν τω ουρανω (Matthew 18:18)
Which is
Amen I say to you, whatsoever you shall bind upon earth, shall be bound also in heaven; and whatsoever you shall loose upon earth, shall be loosed also in heaven.
So where is your "error" and "The Greek word is eimi"?
Um, NO, the works simply proved the faith was genuine.
To understand what people are doing you need to ask them. Unless your comprehension does not exceed that of a cat.
Yes, but we make the decision to do them or not do them. Eph. 2:10 says we must do them. The decision is ours.
Eph 2:10 for context.
For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand so that we would walk in them.
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