Posted on 12/14/2014 11:57:21 AM PST by ealgeone
The reason for this article is to determine if the worship/veneration given to Mary by the catholic church is justified from a Biblical perspective. This will be evaluated using the Biblical standard and not man’s standard.
Why hasn’t that happened?
Maybe because it's not your thread and not any of your business.
FR is not yours to control. Stop trying and get a life.
That is not what Catholics believe. If you believe that, you're a willful believer in a lie you've been told. If you don't believe that, you're a liar yourself.
Really? Besides your false dilemma, then i have a lot of Catholic company. For if you believe that Catholics do not believe that, then you are either ignorant or a willful believer in a lie you've been told. Unless you are objecting to a technical distinction btwn. "actual" and "real," and thank you for bringing this to my attention. Do you deny the consecrated elements actually are his body? That Christ's Body and Blood, soul and divinity is present in each molecule of the consecrated bread or in each drop of the consecrated wine? Would you find "believe Christ gave His real flesh and blood for the disciples to actual partake of," acceptable?
But in fact many of your own tell us it is His "actual" flesh and blood.
Even from Catholic Answers:
The doctrine of transubstantiation, the teaching that bread and wine are converted into the actual flesh and blood of Jesus Christ, is difficult...In 1263, a German priest known as Peter of Prague was struggling with the doctrine of transubstantiation. While he was saying Mass in Bolseno, Italy, blood began to stream out of the host and onto the corporal at the moment of consecration. - Ronald J. Rychlak is the Associate Dean for Academic Affairs and the MDLA Professor of Law as the University of Mississippi School of Law.
staycatholic.com: The Church has always taught that the Eucharist is the actual body and blood of Jesus Christ. This is difficult for some to accept. However, belief in the Real Presence rests upon the words of Christ Himself. -http://www.staycatholic.com/the_eucharist.htm
ewtn.com: Take His actual flesh into your mouth and into your digestive system, eat the flesh of a guy who lived 2000 years ago? You do that?The Church doesn't really believe it's the actual body and blood of Christ, does it? It's just a symbolic thing, right? A meal, right?...Well, guess again. The Church does believe the Eucharist is the real body and blood of Christ. -https://www.ewtn.com/library/YOUTH/REALBODY.TXT
catholic-church.org: At the moment of Consecration, during the Mass, the "gifts" of bread and wine are transformed (transubstantiated) into the actual Body and Blood of Christ, at the Altar. This means that they are not only spiritually transformed, but rather are actually (substantially) transformed into the Body and Blood of Christ. The elements retain the appearance of bread and wine, but are indeed the actual Body and Blood of Christ. This is what is meant by Real Presence: the actual, physical presence of Jesus in the Eucharist. - http://www.catholic-church.org/kuwait/eucharistic_adoration.htm
Father Anthony Marques, catholicvirginian.org: Recently, a parishioner asked me: “Father, is the Eucharist the actual Body of Christ?”..I explained to her that the Eucharist is the actual Body of Christ...While Christ’s body is in heaven according to his natural mode of existence, it can simultaneously be present in the Eucharist according to a supernatural mode of existence... So, yes, the Eucharist is the actual Body of Christ. http://www.catholicvirginian.org/archive/2013/2013vol89iss3/pages/article7.html
http://cathoolic.com: Why do Catholics believe their Holy Communion is the actual Flesh and Blood of Jesus Christ? Why don’t they believe as Protestants do that Christ is only present symbolically, or spiritually, in the consecrated bread and wine? Catholics believe that their Holy Communion, the Blessed Eucharist, is the actual Flesh and Blood of Jesus Christ, because that is what Christ said It was: “This is my body . . . This is my blood” (Matt. 26:26-28; see also Luke 22:19-20 and Mark 14:22-24); because that is what Christ said they must receive in order to have eternal life: - http://cathoolic.com/catholic-answers/holy-communion-actual-flesh-blood-jesus/“
http://catholicozarks.blogspot.com: Is Holy Communion Real or Symbolic? ..Transubstantiation is the belief that the bread and wine elements in communion, really and truly, become the actual body (flesh) and blood of Jesus Christ once they are consecrated by an authentic priest in the Divine Liturgy of the Holy Eucharist (or "Holy Mass"). - http://catholicozarks.blogspot.com/2014/06/is-holy-communion-real-or-symbolic.html
It is food actual and real – not merely symbolic. Hence what we eat at the Table of the Eucharist is actual food, the Flesh of Jesus. http://www.aquinas.lk/articles_details.php?wg_id=154
ancientfaith.com/ (though Antiochian Orthodox) For there is no question, you see, that from the days of the first believers until the 16th century, the Body of Christ in its entirety, before the Great Schism and afterward, held to the truth that the bread and wine of the Eucharist are the actual body and blood of the Lord Jesus. - http://www.ancientfaith.com/podcasts/pilgrims/john_663_and_the_eucharist
So what are you doing here then?
You continue to single out the catholic church. You make no mention of the other churches where Mary is venerated. Yes, that qualifies as an attack on a particular church.
He comes for the soup.
Thank you.
It is impossible to love Jesus and not venerate His Blessed Mother.
Catholics continue to single out non-catholics....your point??
So you're attacking everyone who is not catholic.
“In Exodus 25:18–20, God commanded: “And you shall make two cherubim of gold; of hammered work shall you make them....”
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Before that He ordered the Israelites to place the image of a serpent on a staff so that, whoever would look at it, survive the snakebites.
And we can go on and on. I have learned to be selective to whom I respond.
Sure it is. Just look what Jesus' reaction was when someone tried it in His presence.
Luke 11:27-28
As he said these things, a woman in the crowd raised her voice and said to him, “Blessed is the womb that bore you, and the breasts at which you nursed!” But he said, “Blessed rather are those who hear the word of God and keep it!”
That's what Jesus thinks about adulation of Mary. He threw Himself on that like a bucket of cold water and publicly put both that woman and Mary in their respective places.
Oh you mean in contrast to all the faithful who prayed to angels or departed saints in Heaven? Got any?
Could be a stiff neck.
If there is confusion, we will add the ‘vanity’ remark to the title. This article was marked as ‘self’ and there appears to be no confusion as to who wrote it.
Yes, it is a bit much, though much smaller than a recent RC post, yet sometimes it is needed to prevent as much space taken up with denials.
Back for another serving of soup?
American Catholic Laity Poll, 2011
Those consistently complex “Catholic voters”
Bare Minimum Catholicism
you post a lot on the forum anonymously.
I wonder if you’ve got the cajones to come and meet a group of Catholics in a bar and say the same things to them - face to face?
you also post a lot on the forum anonymously.
I wonder if you’ve got the cajones to come and meet a group of Catholics in a bar and say the same things to them - face to face?
I have a whole article on this:
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