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How the First Christians Changed the World (and What We Can Learn from Them)
http://www.catholic.com ^ | Fr. Michael Giesler

Posted on 12/12/2014 9:41:27 PM PST by NKP_Vet

A small group of men and women once set its principles of charity and temperance against the prevailing values of the age—and in so doing altered the course of civilization. Because the early Christians’ belief had a specific content of truth and morality based on the life and teachings of Jesus Christ, they could not simply go with the flow. Jesus was both God and man. They could not worship, or pretend to worship, a mere human being who claimed to be God because he was Caesar. And this seemed to non-Christians to be an unpardonable stubbornness and perversity.

Marriage and Family Matter

This "stubbornness" was not simply confined to matters of worship. The Christians’ family customs were an affront to their pagan neighbors. They would not practice artificial birth control or abortion (the Greeks and Romans had primitive forms of these) since they believed in both the sanctity of life and the life-giving process. Christian couples did not divorce or have sex before marriage because they believed that sexual intercourse was for marriage only, and that the unity of man and woman in marriage was sacred and indissoluble: It was a reflection of Christ’s own unity with his bride the Church (cf. Eph. 5:25). In an age when any father could command the death of his newborn child, Christians accepted all children, including those who were weak or handicapped. In the words of an early Christian testimony, probably written in the second century:

Christians . . . marry like all others, and beget children; but they do not expose their offspring. Their board they spread for all, but not their bed. They find themselves in the flesh, but do not live according to the flesh. They spend their days on earth, but hold citizenship in heaven.

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To: verga; metmom; Elsie
NO, because Sola Scriptura is a man made Construct.

So say you!

Matthew 4:

“It is written, ‘Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God.’”--Jesus Christ

“It is written again, ‘You shall not tempt the Lord your God.’”--Jesus Christ

“Away with you, Satan! For it is written, ‘You shall worship the Lord your God, and Him only you shall serve.’”--Jesus Christ

I see a trend forming here.

Galatians 6:11--See with what large letters I am writing to you with my own hand.

121 posted on 12/17/2014 6:30:34 AM PST by redleghunter (But let your word 'yes be 'yes,' and your 'no be 'no.' Anything more than this is from the evil one.)
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To: metmom
424 Moved by the grace of the Holy Spirit and drawn by the Father, we believe in Jesus and confess: 'You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.'8 On the rock of this faith confessed by St. Peter, Christ built his Church.9 "To preach. . . the unsearchable riches of Christ"10

It seems some FRomans think they know better than their own catechism. A trend here.

122 posted on 12/17/2014 6:34:51 AM PST by redleghunter (But let your word 'yes be 'yes,' and your 'no be 'no.' Anything more than this is from the evil one.)
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To: ealgeone

And I repeat myself.

“You can get no closer to God than being with Him during the Holy Eucharist, something Catholic and Orthodox Christians have been doing for the last 2,000 years. Something your ancestors did before Martin Luther broke up Christ’s church some 500 years ago. You are truly in heaven when you’re participating in the Holy Eucharist. I feel so sorry for protestants because they can’t experience Holy Communion in the company of the Lord. No experience on earth comes close”.


123 posted on 12/17/2014 6:58:01 AM PST by NKP_Vet
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To: metmom
>>It’s a sad situation to be in such bondage.<<

Indeed.

124 posted on 12/17/2014 6:59:43 AM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: NKP_Vet
>>You can get no closer to God than being with Him during the Holy Eucharist<<

John 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing:

125 posted on 12/17/2014 7:04:40 AM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: verga; metmom; CynicalBear; Elsie; daniel1212
Perpetual ordinance

Exodus 12 explains the 'for whom' to your question.

And yes, I studied 4 years of theology at a Jesuit university. It was mandatory. Yet only one course required picking up a NAB to examine.

Exodus 12

126 posted on 12/17/2014 7:05:41 AM PST by redleghunter (But let your word 'yes be 'yes,' and your 'no be 'no.' Anything more than this is from the evil one.)
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To: verga
Still waiting on your reply do protestants eat fat in violation of the perpetual ordinance?

Stop eating fat. It's bad for the heart. Crisco is not your friend.

127 posted on 12/17/2014 7:06:58 AM PST by redleghunter (But let your word 'yes be 'yes,' and your 'no be 'no.' Anything more than this is from the evil one.)
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To: verga; CynicalBear; metmom; Elsie; daniel1212
Have you noticed that protestants, like liberals, attack what they fear and can’t understand?

I will tell you my observations being raised and educated Roman Catholic. No I do not see what you see at all. What I see here on FR RF are multitudes of Roman Catholic apologetics constantly refuted using Scriptures. Scriptures God gave to mankind as His revelation to us. Yet the same tired out arguments are repeated over and over in the hope that repeating it enough times such arguments will become true.

That is what liberals, Obola and the leftist gang do all day long in the MSM.

128 posted on 12/17/2014 7:12:50 AM PST by redleghunter (But let your word 'yes be 'yes,' and your 'no be 'no.' Anything more than this is from the evil one.)
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To: NKP_Vet
This part here, other than perhaps yourself "feeling sorry" is simply not true.

I've tried to tell you before...but it seemed too much for you to accept, perhaps?

I can agree that no other experience on earth comes close -- other than the other times and ways that the Holy Spirit can overtake and flood one within.

129 posted on 12/17/2014 7:15:45 AM PST by BlueDragon (I could see sound,love,and the soundsetme Free,but youwerenot listening,so could not see)
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To: verga; metmom; Elsie

Yes and if you keep reading those same Protestant scholars they will tell you Peter did not keep those keys hanging on his waist belt. They were used three times and the mission is complete:

1. At Pentecost/Solomon’s Portico; The Holy Spirit fills the Jewish believers

2. At Samaria: The Holy Spirit fills the ‘hybrid’ Israelite-Samaritans

3. At the house of Cornelius: The Holy Spirit fills the Gentiles.

Prophecy fulfilled.


130 posted on 12/17/2014 7:19:43 AM PST by redleghunter (But let your word 'yes be 'yes,' and your 'no be 'no.' Anything more than this is from the evil one.)
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To: verga
Perpetual means FOREVER

Yes for God's chosen people. The NAB has Torah in it, read it and learn.

131 posted on 12/17/2014 7:34:01 AM PST by redleghunter (But let your word 'yes be 'yes,' and your 'no be 'no.' Anything more than this is from the evil one.)
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To: verga

I have answered you several time.

You have rapidly asked the same question over and over expecting metmom to be ‘perpetually’ on FR to answer the inane questions.


132 posted on 12/17/2014 7:35:11 AM PST by redleghunter (But let your word 'yes be 'yes,' and your 'no be 'no.' Anything more than this is from the evil one.)
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To: CynicalBear
Yet you would try to put us back under the old law? I would caution you against that.

Indeed as if we look to the Mosaic Covenant for our justification we must follow it perfectly. Paul and James said so.

133 posted on 12/17/2014 7:39:27 AM PST by redleghunter (But let your word 'yes be 'yes,' and your 'no be 'no.' Anything more than this is from the evil one.)
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To: redleghunter; verga; metmom; Elsie; daniel1212
>>Have you noticed that protestants, like liberals, attack what they fear and can’t understand?<<

And we can then understand why the Catholics bring up sola scriptura so often.

134 posted on 12/17/2014 7:40:32 AM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: redleghunter

Those who try to put us back under the law separate themselves from Christ and it’s very observable.


135 posted on 12/17/2014 7:43:38 AM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: verga; CynicalBear
Funny stuff and funnier is that you all believe your are correct.

What's concerning is you are using the same line of apologetics the homosexual lobby uses to show Christians Leviticus 18:22 is invalid. They ask Christians if they abstain from pork and shellfish and equate such with the moral laws of God.

136 posted on 12/17/2014 7:45:10 AM PST by redleghunter (But let your word 'yes be 'yes,' and your 'no be 'no.' Anything more than this is from the evil one.)
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To: CynicalBear
You may not have recognized it but that was scripture.

I am starting to wonder if that may be the case...they don't recognize Scriptures we use and think we are providing some protestant commentary. If so that would be very sad.

137 posted on 12/17/2014 7:46:36 AM PST by redleghunter (But let your word 'yes be 'yes,' and your 'no be 'no.' Anything more than this is from the evil one.)
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To: redleghunter
>>I am starting to wonder if that may be the case...they don't recognize Scriptures we use and think we are providing some protestant commentary.<<

Time and time again after we post scripture we get the comeback of "that's your opinion". It's obvious to me that they are, in most instances, totally unaware of what scripture teaches.

138 posted on 12/17/2014 8:02:19 AM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: redleghunter

Those men were taught by Christ Himself. They passed the faith on to other men when they formed the Catholic Church, the Pillar and Foundation of Truth.
These men pased it on to others who formed seminaries to insure that this truth was passed on faithfully.
seeing as how no protestant church can draw a lineage back to these men, the question remains.


139 posted on 12/17/2014 8:30:32 AM PST by verga (You anger Catholics by telling them a lie, you anger protestants by telling them the truth.)
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To: redleghunter

Prots need to take off the prot colored glasses.


140 posted on 12/17/2014 8:33:39 AM PST by verga (You anger Catholics by telling them a lie, you anger protestants by telling them the truth.)
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