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To: Mrs. Don-o; Gamecock
But in reference to His Blessed Mother Mary, it's not a Biblically available option to say she was a sinner, when the Archangel Gabriel said she was Full of Grace.

Sinners need grace. Anyone without sin doesn't.

If Mary had no sin, then she didn't need grace.

I have that same grace freely bestowed on me, BTW.

Mary and Grace

The word grace used in this passage in Luke is used in one other place in the Bible and that is Ephesians 1 where Paul is us that with this same grace, God has blessed us (believers) in the Beloved. IOW, we all have access to that grace and it has been bestowed on us all.

http://biblehub.com/greek/5487.htm

Luke 1:28 And he came to her and said, “Greetings, O favored one, the Lord is with you!”

Ephesians 1:4-6 In love he predestined us for adoption as sons through Jesus Christ, according to the purpose of his will, to the praise of his glorious grace, with which he has blessed us in the Beloved.

Greek word “grace”

charitoó: to make graceful, endow with grace

Original Word: χαριτόω

Part of Speech: Verb

Transliteration: charitoó

Phonetic Spelling: (khar-ee-to'-o)

Short Definition: I favor, bestow freely on

Definition: I favor, bestow freely on.

HELPS Word-studies

Cognate: 5487 xaritóō (from 5486 /xárisma, "grace," see there) – properly, highly-favored because receptive to God's grace. 5487 (xaritóō) is used twice in the NT (Lk 1:28 and Eph 1:6), both times of God extending Himself to freely bestow grace (favor).

Word Origin: from charis

Definition: to make graceful, endow with grace

NASB Translation: favored (1), freely bestowed (1).

874 posted on 12/11/2014 9:31:57 PM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: metmom; Mrs. Don-o; Gamecock
Just sitting here thinking about that virgin birth (of Jesus).

Then, my mind wandered and wondered how much MORE faith did it take for Joseph??? Here was his betrothed, swelling with child, and he had nothing to do but watch! By all rights and TRADITION, he should have sent her away!

It seems his faith should be celebrated as much or more than Mary, due to his steadfastness to his faith in God! He took the child and treated Him as a son...

joseph - mary's husband

I learn about joseph's obedience and faith in God.

He obeyed God by still taking Mary in as his wife. He controlled himself by not having sex with her before Jesus' birth - so as to fulfill God's word that Christ will be born of a virgin.

He also received a dream from the angel of God and he believed the message.

God uses people who believe and obey

877 posted on 12/11/2014 10:00:25 PM PST by WVKayaker (Impeachment is the Constitution's answer for a derelict, incompetent president! -Sarah Palin 7/26/14)
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To: metmom
"Sinners need grace. Anyone without sin doesn't... If Mary had no sin, then she didn't need grace."

I can't make heads or tails of this statement.

John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.

Jesus is described as being "full of grace", but He was not a sinner. So on that account, your definition makes no sense.

Sanctifying grace is a sharing in the very life of God. It is a supernatural state of being able to bask in the lovingkindness of God, imbibe His friendship and share in His very nature, "partakers" in the divine nature, as Peter says (2 Peter 1:4.)

In the Garden of Eden Adam and Eve were created in a state of grace, which is to say, they were created in the Image and Likeness of God; they spoke with God; they had a relationship of love with God.

They were in Original Grace. They didn't have to have sin first, and then get grace!


1,007 posted on 12/12/2014 9:30:55 AM PST by Mrs. Don-o (Chaire, Kecharitomene. Hail, totally filled with grace. All generations will call you blessed.)
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