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To: Gamecock
I understand your thought, and it;s a good thought: certainly for Jesus to be a member of the human race at all, is an inconceivable humiliation. But in reference to His Blessed Mother Mary, it's not a Biblically available option to say she was a sinner, when the Archangel Gabriel said she was Full of Grace. That's a contradiction in terms.

If anyone wants to argue -- and it would seem natural to argue --- that everyone is a sinner, it would have to be admitted that an exception was made for Mary, especially considering the exact, and utterly unique way the God's messenger had to adopt an entirely new word in order to express it.

It's a one-off event, a real Singularity, expressed in this wonderfully concentrated idea from the lips of God's ambassador, this singularity of a word.

It acquires more theological depth when you think of Mary as the New Eve, and as having been prefigured by the Ark of the Covenant.

809 posted on 12/11/2014 7:42:13 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o (God's grace has been revealed, and has made salvation possible for the whole human race. (Titus 2))
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To: Mrs. Don-o; Gamecock
>>when the Archangel Gabriel said she was Full of Grace.<<

No he didn't/

861 posted on 12/11/2014 9:04:12 PM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: Mrs. Don-o; Gamecock
But in reference to His Blessed Mother Mary, it's not a Biblically available option to say she was a sinner, when the Archangel Gabriel said she was Full of Grace.

Sinners need grace. Anyone without sin doesn't.

If Mary had no sin, then she didn't need grace.

I have that same grace freely bestowed on me, BTW.

Mary and Grace

The word grace used in this passage in Luke is used in one other place in the Bible and that is Ephesians 1 where Paul is us that with this same grace, God has blessed us (believers) in the Beloved. IOW, we all have access to that grace and it has been bestowed on us all.

http://biblehub.com/greek/5487.htm

Luke 1:28 And he came to her and said, “Greetings, O favored one, the Lord is with you!”

Ephesians 1:4-6 In love he predestined us for adoption as sons through Jesus Christ, according to the purpose of his will, to the praise of his glorious grace, with which he has blessed us in the Beloved.

Greek word “grace”

charitoó: to make graceful, endow with grace

Original Word: χαριτόω

Part of Speech: Verb

Transliteration: charitoó

Phonetic Spelling: (khar-ee-to'-o)

Short Definition: I favor, bestow freely on

Definition: I favor, bestow freely on.

HELPS Word-studies

Cognate: 5487 xaritóō (from 5486 /xárisma, "grace," see there) – properly, highly-favored because receptive to God's grace. 5487 (xaritóō) is used twice in the NT (Lk 1:28 and Eph 1:6), both times of God extending Himself to freely bestow grace (favor).

Word Origin: from charis

Definition: to make graceful, endow with grace

NASB Translation: favored (1), freely bestowed (1).

874 posted on 12/11/2014 9:31:57 PM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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