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To: ealgeone

You wrote: ‘Catholic encyclopedia admits you can’t justify this false dogmas with scripture or “tradition”.’ Where does that website say that? I see it says no direct reference in Scripture, but we admit that is true.

My statement was “Catholics selected the writings of the Bible.” The point was that if you hold Scripture as infallible, you are holding a part of Catholic Tradition infallible. Which is what the teaching on Mary is too - a result of the inspired teachings of early Church fathers and beyond.

You may choose to discount this Tradition and to not venerate Mary, or even dishonor her. But do you desire other people to pray for you? Do you believe in Heaven? If you answered “yes”, who is the person who can pray for you that is closest to The Christ? Mary.


408 posted on 12/11/2014 9:02:20 AM PST by ReaganGeneration2
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To: ReaganGeneration2
who is the person who can pray for you that is closest to The Christ? Mary.

No, God the Father is seated next to the Lord Jesus Christ. He's closest.
409 posted on 12/11/2014 9:09:48 AM PST by Resettozero
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To: ReaganGeneration2
You may choose to discount this Tradition and to not venerate Mary, or even dishonor her. But do you desire other people to pray for you? Do you believe in Heaven? If you answered “yes”, who is the person who can pray for you that is closest to The Christ? Mary.

I discount this false teaching regarding the "immaculate conception" as it contradicts Scripture. You cannot point to Scripture and justify it. You cannot point to "tradition" and conclusively derive this about Mary.

I do not worship Mary as catholics do.

There is nothing in the Word to indicate Mary is the closest to Christ. That's nice man-made thinking, but not Scripture.

I do believe in Heaven and will be there one day as I believe Jesus died for my sins. He and He alone justifies me. No one else.

Yes, other people, here on earth, do pray for me as instructed by the Word.

I discount that Mary plays a role in salvation or any other aspect of my life based on the Word. We are never taught to pray to her.

However, Romans 8:26-27

26In the same way, the Spirit helps us in our weakness. We do not know what we ought to pray for, but the Spirit himself intercedes for us through wordless groans. 27And he who searches our hearts knows the mind of the Spirit, because the Spirit intercedes for God’s people in accordance with the will of God.

414 posted on 12/11/2014 9:17:52 AM PST by ealgeone
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To: ReaganGeneration2; ealgeone
>>who is the person who can pray for you that is closest to The Christ?<<

Galatians 2:20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

Romans 8:11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.

Hebrews 4:16 Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.

Ephesians 2:18 For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.

Now who was it again you say is closer and has more access?

422 posted on 12/11/2014 9:35:51 AM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: ReaganGeneration2
Which is what the teaching on Mary is too - a result of the inspired teachings of early Church fathers and beyond.

Well; the beyond part is sure true!


OTOH; didn't your chosen religion's 'early church fathers' start those churches in Asia?

491 posted on 12/11/2014 11:52:11 AM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: ReaganGeneration2; EagleOne
But do you desire other people to pray for you? Do you believe in Heaven? If you answered “yes”, who is the person who can pray for you that is closest to The Christ? Mary.

It's JESUS and the Holy Spirit who intercede for us with the Father.

We don't need Mary to and Mary is not interceding to Christ on our behalf because we don't need someone to intercede for us with Christ, we need someone to intercede for us with GOD.

Romans 8:26-27 Likewise the Spirit helps us in our weakness. For we do not know what to pray for as we ought, but the Spirit himself intercedes for us with groanings too deep for words. And he who searches hearts knows what is the mind of the Spirit, because the Spirit intercedes for the saints according to the will of God.

Romans 8:33-34 Who shall bring any charge against God's elect? It is God who justifies. Who is to condemn? Christ Jesus is the one who died—more than that, who was raised—who is at the right hand of God, who indeed is interceding for us.

Hebrews 7:25 Consequently, he is able to save to the uttermost those who draw near to God through him, since he always lives to make intercession for them.

590 posted on 12/11/2014 2:23:32 PM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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