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To: Arthur McGowan

One wee problem with your extrapolation which concludes with Mary is the mother of God. And the differing ways you use to say who Jesus is, you leave the one that cannot be left out.

Jesus is God ! He was God before Mary even existed. Jesus created Mary, Mary did not create Jesus.

Mary did not given birth to God, God already was. “I am that I am” was God the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit revealing himself and then Jesus announces again in John 8:58 Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.”

Who says before Abraham he is “I am”? Jesus! Jesus did not come into being when he was born a man, he always existed.

Who is Paul referring to in Colossians chapter 1? Jesus! He names him and then referrs to him throughout the chapter as the one who created all things and that he Jesus is before all things. Who? Jesus! Paul does not refer to him as the “Word” who created all things but as Jesus who created all things.

Col 1: 16-20 For by him all things were created, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things were created through him and for him. And he is before all things, and in him all things hold together. And he is the head of the body, the church. He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that in everything he might be preeminent. For in him all the fullness of God was pleased to dwell, and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether on earth or in heaven, making peace by the blood of his cross.

Who is the Word referred to in John 1? Jesus! Read it, read John 1 it says Jesus Christ. The Word did not change into Jesus when he was born a man, the Word dwelt among us. The Word was always Jesus and Jesus was always the Word.

John 1:14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth.

Eph 3:9 And to make all men see what is the plan of the mystery, which from the beginning of the ages has been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ.

Who created all things by Jesus Christ! Jesus is referred to as the Word because it is by his Word all things were created.

And it is by the Word of his power he upholds the whole universe still.

Heb 1:2-3 his Son, whom he appointed the heir of all things, through whom also he created the world. He is the radiance of the glory of God and the exact imprint of his nature, and he upholds the universe by the word of his power. After making purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high.


389 posted on 12/11/2014 7:51:48 AM PST by free_life (If you ask Jesus to forgive you and to save you, He will.)
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To: free_life

Mary gave birth to Jesus.

Jesus is God.

Therefore, Mary is the mother of God.


418 posted on 12/11/2014 9:25:28 AM PST by Arthur McGowan
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To: free_life

Mary will be greatly distressed when she rises from the dead at the Resurrection and discovers that men had built a world-wide religion incorporating a pagan goddess that utilizes Mary’s name and drank her Son’s literal blood and ate His literal body.


421 posted on 12/11/2014 9:34:08 AM PST by Resettozero
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