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To: CynicalBear
You are so right, Cynical Bear. Mary was indeed the smallest and humblest of the humble. That is why it has pleased our Father in Heaven to so greatly exalt her. "Exalt the humble and humble the exalted." He loves this kind of thing.

" The woman in Revelation is the nation of Israel. Mary is NOT the mother of us all. The New Jerusalem above is.""

Please read this again, simply omitting the word "not." Everything you wrote in these sentences is true, except for the "not."

This is because Mary is an image of the nation of Israel before her, and the New Jerusalem after her. This is so clear in her Magnificat, in which she references this chain of God's amazing blessing from "Abraham and his seed" before her, to "all generations" after her.

I found it a real opening to the Holy Spirit, to read Luke 1:46-55 every evening for a couple of months. A whole treasure chest of doctrine and blessing unfolds in these words:

My soul doth magnify the Lord
and my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour.
For he hath regarded
the lowliness of his handmaiden
For behold, from henceforth
all generations shall call me blessed.
For he that is mighty hath done great things for me
and holy is his Name.
And his mercy is on them that fear him
throughout all generations.
He hath shewed strength with his arm
he hath scattered the proud
in the imagination of their hearts.
He hath put down the mighty from their seat
and hath exalted the humble and meek.
He hath filled the hungry with good things
and the rich he hath sent empty away.
He remembering his mercy hath helped his servant Israel
as he promised to our forefathers,
Abraham and his seed for ever.

Read it out loud once. So beautiful.

1,936 posted on 12/14/2014 6:42:12 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o (God our Savior wants all men to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth (1 Tim 2:4).)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
>>This is because Mary is an image of the nation of Israel before her, and the New Jerusalem after her.<<

Galatians 4:2 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.

1,954 posted on 12/14/2014 7:11:30 PM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
Read it out loud once. So beautiful.

 
 


Origen

"If someone from this people wants to be saved, let him come into this house so that he may be able to attain his salvation. . . . Let no one, then, be persuaded otherwise, nor let anyone deceive himself: Outside of this house, that is, outside of the Church, no one is saved; for, if anyone should go out of it, he is guilty of his own death" (Homilies on Joshua 3:5 [A.D. 250]). 

 

Cyprian of Carthage

Whoever is separated from the Church and is joined to an adulteress [a schismatic church] is separated from the promises of the Church, nor will he that forsakes the Church of Christ attain to the rewards of Christ. He is an alien, a worldling, and an enemy. He cannot have God for his Father who has not the Church for his mother" (The Unity of the Catholic Church 6, 1st ed. [A.D. 251]). 

"Let them not think that the way of life or salvation exists for them, if they have refused to obey the bishops and priests, since the Lord says in the book of Deuteronomy: ‘And any man who has the insolence to refuse to listen to the priest or judge, whoever he may be in those days, that man shall die’ [Deut. 17:12]. And then, indeed, they were killed with the sword . . . but now the proud and insolent are killed with the sword of the Spirit, when they are cast out from the Church. For they cannot live outside, since there is only one house of God, and there can be no salvation for anyone except in the Church" (Letters 61[4]:4 [A.D. 253]). 

 

Lactantius

"It is, therefore, the Catholic Church alone which retains true worship. This is the fountain of truth; this, the domicile of faith; this, the temple of God. Whoever does not enter there or whoever does not go out from there, he is a stranger to the hope of life and salvation. . . . Because, however, all the various groups of heretics are confident that they are the Christians and think that theirs is the Catholic Church, let it be known that this is the true Church, in which there is confession and penance and which takes a health-promoting care of the sins and wounds to which the weak flesh is subject" (Divine Institutes 4:30:11–13 [A.D. 307]). 

 

Jerome

"Heretics bring sentence upon themselves since they by their own choice withdraw from the Church, a withdrawal which, since they are aware of it, constitutes damnation. Between heresy and schism there is this difference: that heresy involves perverse doctrine, while schism separates one from the Church on account of disagreement with the bishop. Nevertheless, there is no schism which does not trump up a heresy to justify its departure from the Church" (Commentary on Titus 3:10–11 [A.D. 386]). 

2,063 posted on 12/15/2014 4:53:51 AM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
That is why it has pleased our Father in Heaven to so greatly exalt her.

He DID?

2,064 posted on 12/15/2014 4:54:32 AM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
That is why it has pleased our Father in Heaven to so greatly exalt her. "Exalt the humble and humble the exalted."

Where can I find these QUOTED words?

Should you not be using the CATHOLIC bible??

26 Thus saith the Lord God: Remove the diadem, take off the crown: is it not this that hath exalted the low one, and brought down him that was high?

2,065 posted on 12/15/2014 5:00:11 AM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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