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To: Mrs. Don-o; CynicalBear

There will be more Catholics who have accepted Christ as their Savior than “expected” by Catholics OR Protestants and less than Catholics think will be the case due to the fact that the Holy Spirit is more powerful than the destructive dogma of that religious system


1,716 posted on 12/14/2014 7:25:20 AM PST by nicmarlo
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To: nicmarlo; CynicalBear; terycarl
I am pretty sure you will find people in both Catholic and non-Catholic congregations who actually have not accepted Jesus as their Personal Savior (or the equivalent whether or not they use those words.) These will be people who are not, in fact, disciples, do not practice personal prayer, and have not given their lives over to Christ.

I have noticed that in the Lives of the Saints, so many of them needed to have adult conversion experiences, even though they had been raised in the Church.

St. Benedict, St. Francis of Assisi, St. Ignatius, Bartolome de Las Casas (and of course Augustine, St. Elizabeth Seton, Newman and Chesterton, who in mid-life encountered Christ in a much more immediate way)-- they all became solidly committed Catholics after they had a really up-close-and-personal contact with Our Savior Himself. This resulted in their living their whole lives for Jesus Christ Our Lord.

We no longer have a Christian culture. One of the pluses of a "Christian culture" is that many people are exposed to virtuous cultural practices which keep them from reverting to habitual vice, or at least they are culturally "warned" that there is danger in sin, and they are steered by local customs toward the Gospel.

But one of the less-than-good aspects of a Christian Culture is that many people follow along more from conformism or inertia than from conviction. Some people seemingly have to lie sick in a dungeon as a prisoner of war or take a cannonball to the knee before they really realize that God has come with power, God claims them and God ain't into compromise.

1,728 posted on 12/14/2014 8:11:48 AM PST by Mrs. Don-o (Since the world's creation,GodÂ’s eternal power and divine nature have been clearly seen.- Rom 1:20)
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To: nicmarlo
There will be more Catholics who have accepted Christ as their Savior than “expected” by Catholics OR Protestants and less than Catholics think will be the case due to the fact that the Holy Spirit is more powerful than the destructive dogma of that religious system

I have been a Catholic for 76 years and I've never been told otherwise.....All the Catholics that I know accept Christ as their savior..Catholics were the only CHRISTians for 1,600 years. What would be the point of being a Christian if one didn't believe that Christ was their savior?????

1,828 posted on 12/14/2014 2:19:44 PM PST by terycarl (common sense prevails over all)
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