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To: af_vet_1981; nicmarlo
>>I cannot find the phrase "personal Saviour" anywhere in the scriptures.<<

I can't find Catholic Church anywhere in scripture. I tend to view it as a marketing technique used to make a sale with people who do not really want to face Jesus alone.

1,451 posted on 12/13/2014 4:24:43 PM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: CynicalBear
I tend to view it as a marketing technique used to make a sale with people who do not really want to face Jesus alone.

If I didn't know personally quite a few former RCs who worship and fellowship with us, I would believe it is not possible for any RC to come to a knowledge of the Truth that is Lord Jesus Christ, Son of the Living God.

For men (and women) on FR, I believe it IS impossible to change any minds or have them accept any facts presented as viable. Their obvious goal is to defend RCC doctrines and practices NO MATTER THE COST. Even if it costs them their credibility, which several have lost today, or any semblance of respect for honest scholarship and discussion...or the Truth.

Fifth grade is where they are stuck and where they will stay until God does what is impossible for me (us) to do.
1,457 posted on 12/13/2014 4:34:37 PM PST by Resettozero
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To: CynicalBear
Αἱ μὲν οὖν ἐκκλησίαι καθ' ὅλης τῆς Ἰουδαίας καὶ Γαλιλαίας καὶ Σαμαρείας εἶχον εἰρήνην οἰκοδομουμέναι καὶ πορευομέναι τῷ φόβῳ τοῦ κυρίου καὶ τῇ παρακλήσει τοῦ ἁγίου πνεύματος ἐπληθύνοντο

Then had the churches rest throughout all Judaea and Galilee and Samaria, and were edified; and walking in the fear of the Lord, and in the comfort of the Holy Ghost, were multiplied.


The word catholic (with lowercase c; derived via Late Latin catholicus, from the Greek adjective καθολικός (katholikos), meaning "universal"[1][2]) comes from the Greek phrase καθόλου (katholou), meaning "on the whole", "according to the whole" or "in general", and is a combination of the Greek words κατά meaning "about" and ὅλος meaning "whole".[3][4] The word in English can mean either "including a wide variety of things; all-embracing" or "of the Roman Catholic faith" as "relating to the historic doctrine and practice of the Western Church.".[5] ("Catholicos, the title used for the head of some churches in Eastern Christian traditions, is derived from the same linguistic origin).

The term Catholic (usually written with uppercase C in English) was first used to describe the Christian Church in the early 2nd century to emphasize its universal scope. In the context of Christian ecclesiology, it has a rich history and several usages. In non-ecclesiastical use, it derives its English meaning directly from its root, and is currently used to mean the following:

universal or of general interest; liberal, having broad interests, or wide sympathies;[6] or inclusive, inviting and containing strong evangelism. The term has been incorporated into the name of the largest Christian communion, the Catholic Church (also called the Roman Catholic Church). However, many other Christians use the term "Catholic" (sometimes with a lower-case letter "c") to refer more broadly to the whole Christian Church or to all believers in Jesus Christ regardless of denominational affiliation.[7][8] Theologians writing in English will sometimes use the term "Church Catholic" or "Church catholic" to avoid confusion between this concept and the Catholic Church.[citation needed]

The Eastern Orthodox, Oriental Orthodox, Anglicans, Lutherans, and some Methodists believe that their churches are "Catholic" in the sense that they are in continuity with the original universal church founded by the Apostles. However, each church defines the scope of the "Catholic Church" differently. For instance, the Roman Catholic, Eastern Orthodox, and Oriental Orthodox churches each maintain that their own denomination is identical with the original universal church, from which all other denominations broke away.

Almost all Christians who call themselves "Catholic" believe that bishops are considered the highest order of ministers within the Christian religion.[9] Along with unity, sanctity, and apostolicity, catholicity is considered one of Four Marks of the Church,[10] in line with the Nicene Creed of 381: "I believe in one holy catholic and apostolic Church."

1,471 posted on 12/13/2014 4:56:28 PM PST by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began.)
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To: CynicalBear; af_vet_1981

That’s because there is no ‘Catholic’ Church in the Bible.

There’s those who believe in Christ and have accepted Him as their personal Savior. They are Christ’s sheep, who know His voice and follow Him.

And then there’s the sheep who don’t believe in Him, who have rejected Him as their personal Savior and so do not know His voice and flee from Him. Their father is the devil.

Jesus talks all about this in the Gospel of John, which vet refuses to read.


1,520 posted on 12/13/2014 7:10:27 PM PST by nicmarlo
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