Posted on 12/10/2014 6:32:20 AM PST by marshmallow
"Christian unity" is one of those terms that stir up a whole spectrum ofsometimes emotionalopinions.
On the one hand, we know that Jesus prayed to the Father concerning future believers "that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you" (John 17:21a, NIV).
On the other hand, charismatics know it is almost pointless to discuss the gifts of the Holy Spirit (1 Cor. 12, 14) with Baptists or most anyone else from a mainline denomination. And Protestants of just about any stripe get riled up when they hear Catholics talking about papal infallibility or their adoration of the Virgin Mary.
It's on this latter point that Rick Warren, senior pastor of Saddleback Church in Lake Forest, California, and successful author, has waded into a hornet's nest of controversy by telling a Catholic News Service interviewer that Protestants and Catholics "have far more in common than what divides us" and that Catholics do not "worship Mary like she's another god."
Regarding Warren's view that Catholics do not worship Mary, Matt Slick, writing on the website of the Christian Apologetics & Research Ministry, goes into great detail with material from Roman Catholic sources that say Mary is "the all holy one," is to be prayed to, worshipped, that she "brings us the gifts of eternal life" and she "made atonement for the sins of man."
If that's not putting her in the place of Christ as a god-like figure to be worshipped, then what is it?
"We believe in Trinity, the Bible, the resurrection, and that salvation is through Jesus Christ. These are the big issues," Warren says. "But the most important thing is if you love Jesus, we're on the same team."
To Warren's point about being on the same team, Slick.....
(Excerpt) Read more at charismanews.com ...
Not exactly.
The divine Person who became incarnate in the womb of Mary was a divine Person with a divine nature from eternity.
The human soul of Jesus was an immediate creation of God, at his conception, like all other humans' souls.
The flesh of Jesus came from his mother, like all humans' flesh. After birth, his flesh came from his food, like all of us.
All of us exist by a created "act of existence" which is sustained by God's willing that we should participate in existence. The human nature of Christ exists because the Second Person of the Trinity acts as its Act of Existence. Thus, the human nature of Christ--body and soul--was created at a moment in time, but it exists eternally because its Act of Existence is the uncreated Word or Second Person of the Trinity.
Yes, Mary is properly called the "Mother of God" because Jesus is ONE DIVINE PERSON. The title "Mother of God" never meant that Mary was the origin of the eternal Word. It always meant that the Person of whom Mary is the mother is ONE PERSON.
In the end Kenrick accepted papal infallibility as taught by the Council. He ordered it taught in his schools, his seminary, his parishes. He believed in infallibility of the Church. I doubt you do. he believed in the infallibility of the pope when working in union with the bishops. You don’t, right? He accepted papal infallibility as defined by the Council.
I think you described your own post: “The rest of your post is simply more irrelevant damage control and ranting, which just adds to your record.”
“you really wonder why the mod zings you all the time???”
I have never once wondered that. I wondered something else.
vlad, you certain you shouldn’t pull up and sit on the side of the pool for a few minutes? Lack of oxygen perhaps?
Okay. So then will you withdraw your characterization of either the Catholic Church or myself or the 1.2 billion Catholics in the world as being Christian "posers"? Seeing as how its not your call to make?
If you know his voice and He knows yours, likely you are destined to leave the RCC at some point (Come out of her) and gather with other like-minded believers in and followers of Lord Jesus Christ and Him alone, as many many former RCC members have done already.
And then you make the call again. According to you nobody can remain in the RCC and still be a Christian.
“vlad, you certain you shouldnt pull up and sit on the side of the pool for a few minutes? Lack of oxygen perhaps?”
I can always leave the pool, but if I do then there’s no one to pull you out of the drain. If only you had learned to swim!
no
As for the snark about "expatriate", it has nothing to do with the meme presented, but again tries to distract from the cogent response presented.
I would expect no less from the source! When an intelligible response is made, it is mostly ignored and some distract ion presented!
contracept
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verb (used with object)
1. to prevent the conception of (offspring).
2. to prevent pregnancy or impregnation in; provide with the means for birth control.
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Look! Squirrel! (pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!)
G’night vlad. (Some group of RCC apologists you got with ya tonight, vlad. It is the same group that has ignored the truth handed them on a platter many times and on many FR threads, all the while proceeding blindly as if no one has noticed their vain repetitions and pontifications on who-knows-what they’ve gleaned from the Bible.)
no she won't...that's what He told us to do...
Huh?
Do you like cheese sandwiches or ham sandwiches?
Your question has nothing to do with anything.
I'll be sure to keep that in mind the next some sycophant from the Protestant contingent who can't address the substance of a post depends on the strikethrough HTML tag in a game of verbal badminton?
Some intelligible response.
Uh yes she is a mediatrix. If I remember I’ll post tomorrow. Going to bed now..
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