Apologists Concerned About Rick Warren's Alignment With 'Holy Father'

Charisma News ^ | 12/3/14 | Mark Andrews

[marshmallow]

"Christian unity" is one of those terms that stir up a whole spectrum of—sometimes emotional—opinions.

On the one hand, we know that Jesus prayed to the Father concerning future believers "that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you" (John 17:21a, NIV).

On the other hand, charismatics know it is almost pointless to discuss the gifts of the Holy Spirit (1 Cor. 12, 14) with Baptists or most anyone else from a mainline denomination. And Protestants of just about any stripe get riled up when they hear Catholics talking about papal infallibility or their adoration of the Virgin Mary.

It's on this latter point that Rick Warren, senior pastor of Saddleback Church in Lake Forest, California, and successful author, has waded into a hornet's nest of controversy by telling a Catholic News Service interviewer that Protestants and Catholics "have far more in common than what divides us" and that Catholics do not "worship Mary like she's another god."

Regarding Warren's view that Catholics do not worship Mary, Matt Slick, writing on the website of the Christian Apologetics & Research Ministry, goes into great detail with material from Roman Catholic sources that say Mary is "the all holy one," is to be prayed to, worshipped, that she "brings us the gifts of eternal life" and she "made atonement for the sins of man."

If that's not putting her in the place of Christ as a god-like figure to be worshipped, then what is it?

"We believe in Trinity, the Bible, the resurrection, and that salvation is through Jesus Christ. These are the big issues," Warren says. "But the most important thing is if you love Jesus, we're on the same team."

To Warren's point about being on the same team, Slick.....

[metmom]

And once again the point is made The protestant mind is trapped in the numbers/majority game.

Now, that's funny.

How many times have we seen the appeal to *1.2 billion strong* by Catholics as if it were something significant?

More than I can count, for sure.

[CynicalBear]

>>The Holy Spirit personally wrote a Bible??..<<

What part of "Had written" do you not understand. When I had a house build it wasn't me who built it but they sure did build it as I told them to. Didn't you just mention something about reading comprehension?

[terycarl]

Funny, isn't it that Catholics can tell non-Cathoics what they believe, but when Catholics think that non-Catholics are telling them what Catholics believe, there's weeping and wailing and gnashing of teeth?

Nope...doesn't work that way...everybody KNOWS what Catholics believe..just read the Bible and pay attention. NOBODY knows what protestants believe because there are a multitude of different "denominations" all of which have their own interpretations of what is reality

[Syncro]

"No debate at all."

Yes, and no back up for false claims, they are just right because you post them. Got it.

“Naw, but hay you gotta have something!”

No, you really don’t.

True, you have nothing.

Thanks for outing what kind of video you posted (that's what it is called when someone posts a link to a video.)

No need to see your leftist actor what ever he is doing.

It's the polite thing to do--describe what a video is when posting it.

[CynicalBear]

>>Nope...doesn't work that way...everybody KNOWS what Catholics believe..just read the Bible and pay attention.<<

Can't be. The Catholic Church and the Catholics here tell us all the time that not everything they teach is in the Bible. Now you say just read the Bible to know what Catholics believe? Are you poorly Catechized or something?

[nicmarlo]

LOL !!

...heap coals of fire upon his head, and the Lord shall reward thee

[boatbums]

“You can’t, so you attribute a quote to me that I did not post.”

And in the end it doesn’t even matter because anti-Catholics are all the same

And didn't Vlad just chide YOU a hundred or so posts back for making that same mistake? He scolded you with:

I suggest that, in the future, you actually get right to whom you’re posting.

That's the trouble with failed Protestants who turn Catholic, they become anti-Protestant bigots who get up every day with the thought of how they can criticize what they once believed in order to settle the doubts that still plague their hearts.

[metmom]

NOBODY knows what protestants believe because there are a multitude of different "denominations" all of which have their own interpretations of what is reality

Well, show us some. Because those of us who are Christians don't seem to see what y'all Catholics do.

Here are the statements of faith of a number of different non-Catholic organizations for you to read and compare and then give us an example of the *multitude* of differing beliefs.

Statements of faith for different churches

Assemblies of God
http://ag.org/top/Beliefs/Position_Papers/index.cfm#

Associate Reformed Presbyterian Church
http://arpchurch.org/documents/confession-of-faith/

Calvary Chapel
http://calvarychapel.com/home/about/

The Christian and Missionary Alliance
http://www.cmalliance.org/about/history/

Elim Fellowship Churches
http://www.elimfellowship.org/about-us/statement-of-faith/

The Father's House
http://tfhny.org/the-house/what-we-believe/

Osais LA
http://www.oasisla.org/about/what-we-believe/

Presbyterian Church in Americahttp://www.pcaac.org/resources/wcf/

United Reformed church in North America https://www.urcna.org/sysfiles/site_uploads/custom_public/custom2642.pdf

Westside Christian Fellowship
http://westsidechristianfellowship.org/about-wcf/statement-of-faith/

[CynicalBear]

Mark for the am

[nicmarlo]

Yeah, I’d like to know the multitude of major disparity between Christian denominations. Let’s see if he comes up now with cults which claim to be Christian.

[metmom]

Heh, if everything they believe is in the Bible, then there’s no need for the CCC or traditions, is there?

[ealgeone]

>More than seven in 10 U.S. women obtaining an abortion report a religious affiliation (37% protestant, 28% Catholic and 7% other), and 25% attend religious services at least once a month.[38] The abortion rate for protestant women is 15 per 1,000 women, while Catholic women have a slightly higher rate, 22 per 1,000.[32]http://www.guttmacher.org/in-the-know/characteristics.html<

Thank you for making my point. The protestant cites the work of liars and murderers. Agents of Lucifer to support their argument. Can there be any doubt that the protestant is in league with them?

First, let's get something clear. I am as opposed to abortion as they come.

I use these figures as they're the best I could find. If you will/can follow the discussion you suggested my comment on catholic gals getting abortions was "an inference of mine", as if catholic girls are as all pure as the driven snow. I posted those numbers, sad as they are, to show that you have no clue what you're talking about.

I produce numbers to show that you are wrong. Sadly catholic gals are getting abortions.....and what do you do??

Attempt to accuse me of citing the works of liars and murders and suggest that I am in league with them.

I'll share something I don't normally post online. One of my kids was diagnosed at an early stage in pregnancy with some chromosomal disorders.

We were told we had a certain amount of time to decide if we wanted to "abort" the child or continue with life.

We didn't blink an eye on this. We went ahead with God's plan and we now have a wonderful little one in our household.

I'll tell you this....we also called upon the deacons and pastor in our church and asked them to pray for our little one in accordance with the Biblical instructions in James. We prayed to God and asked for His help. God honored that prayer and we have a precious little miracle in our household.

So it kinda burns me that you would accuse me of being "in league" with people who support the murder of the unborn child.

Next time you make some asinine comment I suggest you think before you type.

You need to retake that class in logic.

[nicmarlo]

Throw out those rosary beads and graven images, too, then.

[JPX2011]

I'm not Protestant so I suppose I am butting in but I would condemn their use.

Good. Finally something we can agree upon. This is promising.

You're presumption that all Protestants agree to their use is hyperbole

Once again the "democratic" view. I don't have to presume anything about all protestants. Just show that their theology vis-a-vis sola scriptura allows for the creation of, what in their minds they believe to be a justified moral system. Which is a gross error.

and rather getting old.

Sorry that you're not entertained. You certainly free to "fellowship" somewhere else if you like. I hope you find what you are looking for.

P.S.: Hyperbole, defined, is not meant to be taken literally so if my post is hyperbolic then I can't be presuming anything about all protestants.

[boatbums]

John Henry Newman, AFP - another failed Protestant

[metmom]

To some, the Catholic church and Catholics can do no wrong, and if they do, it’s blown off in the manner you’ve seen here. There is little hope for those that deep in that kind of deception.

That someone would be so blind as to not even acknowledge the failings of their own organization is mind blowing. Blame shifting and false accusations are all that’s left.

Not much to stand on, is it.

God bless you and your family.

[boatbums]

Glad to see the Religion Moderator removed that offensive and slanderous post that prompted all the responses. Someone sure needs a time-out. ;o)

[metmom]

Nope...doesn't work that way...everybody KNOWS what Catholics believe..just read the Bible and pay attention.

Well, OK.

Show us where the assumption of Mary is found in the Bible.

Book, chapter, and verse, please.

[boatbums]

Thank you. Your efforts are appreciated.

[ealgeone]

TCNope...doesn't work that way...everybody KNOWS what Catholics believe..just read the Bible and pay attention.

MM>Well, OK.

Show us where the assumption of Mary is found in the Bible. Book, chapter, and verse, please.<

ealgeone: they can't, they know they can't and they've admitted they can't.