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Apologists Concerned About Rick Warren's Alignment With 'Holy Father'
Charisma News ^ | 12/3/14 | Mark Andrews

Posted on 12/10/2014 6:32:20 AM PST by marshmallow

"Christian unity" is one of those terms that stir up a whole spectrum of—sometimes emotional—opinions.

On the one hand, we know that Jesus prayed to the Father concerning future believers "that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you" (John 17:21a, NIV).

On the other hand, charismatics know it is almost pointless to discuss the gifts of the Holy Spirit (1 Cor. 12, 14) with Baptists or most anyone else from a mainline denomination. And Protestants of just about any stripe get riled up when they hear Catholics talking about papal infallibility or their adoration of the Virgin Mary.

It's on this latter point that Rick Warren, senior pastor of Saddleback Church in Lake Forest, California, and successful author, has waded into a hornet's nest of controversy by telling a Catholic News Service interviewer that Protestants and Catholics "have far more in common than what divides us" and that Catholics do not "worship Mary like she's another god."

Regarding Warren's view that Catholics do not worship Mary, Matt Slick, writing on the website of the Christian Apologetics & Research Ministry, goes into great detail with material from Roman Catholic sources that say Mary is "the all holy one," is to be prayed to, worshipped, that she "brings us the gifts of eternal life" and she "made atonement for the sins of man."

If that's not putting her in the place of Christ as a god-like figure to be worshipped, then what is it?

"We believe in Trinity, the Bible, the resurrection, and that salvation is through Jesus Christ. These are the big issues," Warren says. "But the most important thing is if you love Jesus, we're on the same team."

To Warren's point about being on the same team, Slick.....

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To: vladimir998; Syncro

COURTESY PING TO SYNCRO SINCE VLADIMIR998 MENTIONED YOU IN A POST

R2z : “vlad, it was I that posted it to you...the sentence you make fun of in your inane repetitions of it. Not Syncro.”

vlad: I know.

R2z : “Carry on.”

vlad : Oh, I will.

1,500 posted on 12/13/2014, 9:05:35 PM by vladimir998


1,501 posted on 12/13/2014 6:09:34 PM PST by Resettozero
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To: vladimir998

You are wrong.

I would show you why, and denying it [which I believe you would do...SOP] would just get you deeper in ignoring the first rule of holes.

When you were a kid, were you told if you keep digging a hole you will end up in China?


1,502 posted on 12/13/2014 6:20:31 PM PST by Syncro (Benghazi-LIES/CoverupIRS-LIES/CoverupDOJ-NO Justice--Etc Marxist Treason IMPEACH!)
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To: Resettozero

Thank you for the heads up on that.

Some don’t take correction well.


1,503 posted on 12/13/2014 6:21:58 PM PST by Syncro (Benghazi-LIES/CoverupIRS-LIES/CoverupDOJ-NO Justice--Etc Marxist Treason IMPEACH!)
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To: vladimir998
Well, you have failed to even prove ONE poster is anti Catholic.

Come on, show a link and we can prove there are anti Catholics posting here.

Otherwize, in spite of your laughter, there are none here.

Here try this:

REALITY

Take your finger and touch that word. Come on, just once. Be in touch with reality...

1,504 posted on 12/13/2014 6:27:44 PM PST by Syncro (Benghazi-LIES/CoverupIRS-LIES/CoverupDOJ-NO Justice--Etc Marxist Treason IMPEACH!)
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To: CynicalBear; metmom
CB, I did not mean to offend you. I had promised not to post you and I thought it best to keep my word.

I do not understand your reformulation "Was Jesus human nature divine or God?".

As God --- a Divine Person --- Jesus Christ has two natures: human and divine. His human nature is human. He is true Man. His divine nature is divine. He is true God.

I hope that clears it up.

Now, back to the kitchen with me. I'm cooking up a remedy for Rheumatoid Arthritis (for internal use) consisting of

ginger+honey+butter+turmeric+cinnamon+nutmeg+ black pepper+ milk.

Smells better than your ordinary Old Lady Menthol-scented Joint Rubs, anyway. Wish me luck. I now smell like a spice cake.

1,505 posted on 12/13/2014 6:34:19 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o (May the Lord bless you and keep you, may He turn to you His countenance and give you peace.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Ginger is very good for that. I make ginger ale all the time. It’s much healthier than soda as well. I use a starter called “ginger bug” which causes the effervescence. I also like a ginger tea just made with a little raw ginger boiled in water then strain the ginger out. The amount of ginger is by personal preference.


1,506 posted on 12/13/2014 6:38:41 PM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: CynicalBear; vladimir998; ealgeone; metmom
Is that the John Henry Newman that says Catholicism incorporates paganism?

No, that would be Catholic Culture.org claiming that for the Catholic Church....

The multiplicity of theological positions present within the Catholic Church. These positions vary according to which premises or postulates are used in reflecting on the sources of revelation, according to the methodology employed, and according to the cultural tradition within which theology does its speculation. On the first bases, the two principal philosophical premises are the Platonic, stressed in Augustinianaism; and the Aristotelian, emphasized in Thomism. On the second level, theologies differ in terms of their mainly biblical, or doctrinal, or historical, or pastoral methodology. And on the third basis, the culture of a people helps to shape the theology they develop, as between the more mystical East and the more practical West, or the more reflective Mediterranean and the more scientific Anglo-Saxon. The Church not only permits these diversities but encourages them, always assuming that theologians who are Catholic are also respectful of the rule of faith and obedient to the magisterium of the hierarchy under the Bishop of Rome.
-- from the thread Catholic Word of the Day: THEOLOGICAL PLURALISM, 11-10-09


1,507 posted on 12/13/2014 6:42:45 PM PST by Alex Murphy ("the defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades")
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To: Alex Murphy; vladimir998; ealgeone; metmom

The use of temples, and these dedicated to particular saints, and ornamented on occasions with branches of trees; incense, lamps, and candles; votive offerings on recovery from illness; holy water; asylums; holydays and seasons, use of calendars, processions, blessings on the fields; sacerdotal vestments, the tonsure, the ring in marriage, turning to the East, images at a later date, perhaps the ecclesiastical chant, and the Kyrie Eleison, are all of pagan origin, and sanctified by their adoption into the Church.[Cardinal Newman - Development of Christian Doctrine, pg 373]


1,508 posted on 12/13/2014 6:45:59 PM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: Resettozero; Syncro

“COURTESY PING TO SYNCRO SINCE VLADIMIR998 MENTIONED YOU IN A POST”

I did not mention him in the post. You did.


1,509 posted on 12/13/2014 6:47:08 PM PST by vladimir998
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To: CynicalBear
I would love to have a real ginger ale.

My father (many years ago) tried making Root Beer and it exploded in the basement. Never tried the ol' effervescence trick again... :o/

1,510 posted on 12/13/2014 6:49:47 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o (May the Lord bless you and keep you, may He turn to you His countenance and give you peace.)
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To: Syncro

“You are wrong.”

Nope.

“I would show you why, and denying it [which I believe you would do...SOP] would just get you deeper in ignoring the first rule of holes.”

I have not asked you to “show” me nor would I. And since I was not wrong to begin with there is no possibility of getting in deeper. So much for “the first rule of holes”.

“When you were a kid, were you told if you keep digging a hole you will end up in China?”

When you were a kid, were you told if you keep writing something you write might make sense?


1,511 posted on 12/13/2014 6:50:46 PM PST by vladimir998
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To: Syncro

“Well, you have failed to even prove ONE poster is anti Catholic.”

I didn’t try and I won’t. I am not foolish enough to believe evidence will convince you.

“Come on, show a link and we can prove there are anti Catholics posting here.”

I already know there are anti-Catholics here. I need no links nor any more proof.

“Otherwize, in spite of your laughter, there are none here.”

That’s logically false. Objectively, not providing evidence of a thing does not mean the thing does not exist. And I don’t know what you mean by laughter because I said I WOULD be laughing if the comment you made had not been so off.

“Here try this: REALITY”

I am grounded in reality. That’s one of the reasons why I am not a Protestant.

“Take your finger and touch that word. Come on, just once. Be in touch with reality...”

Always have been. It is anti-Catholics who aren’t. And they’re here.


1,513 posted on 12/13/2014 6:56:36 PM PST by vladimir998
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To: CynicalBear; Mrs. Don-o

Would that be like this water kefir stuff I’ve heard about?


1,514 posted on 12/13/2014 6:57:51 PM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: CynicalBear

“To Protestantism False Witness is the principle of propagation. ...Taking things as they are, and judging of them by the long run, one may securely say, that the anti-Catholic Tradition could not be kept alive, would die of exhaustion, without a continual supply of fable.” (John Henry Newman, Lecture 4. True Testimony Insufficient for the Protestant View)


1,515 posted on 12/13/2014 6:57:57 PM PST by vladimir998
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To: Mrs. Don-o

I simply reuse 2 litre soda bottles. I also only make 2 bottles at a time and it only takes two weeks and then I drink them. My uncle always made home made root beer. Best root beer there is. I do remember he talked about one batch that exploded.


1,516 posted on 12/13/2014 6:59:03 PM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: boatbums

Tell us how you really feel.

It is kind of breath-taking, isn’t it?


1,517 posted on 12/13/2014 6:59:30 PM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: af_vet_1981

I’m glad you’re interested in growing spiritually and studying God’s Word.

Read the Gospel of John.

When you’re done, come back for your next instruction.


1,518 posted on 12/13/2014 7:05:27 PM PST by nicmarlo
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To: metmom; Mrs. Don-o
>>Would that be like this water kefir stuff I’ve heard about?<<

No that's different. That's a pro biotic. The ginger ale or ginger beer as some call it is simply a soft drink like the ginger ale soda but much better. The ginger bug is simply a good bacteria the digests the sugar and produces effervescence. You can adjust the amount of ginger to taste. The more you put in the more spicy bite it has. It takes very little ginger. I also grew my own ginger this year and will continue that. We love the pickled ginger also.

1,519 posted on 12/13/2014 7:06:14 PM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: CynicalBear; af_vet_1981

That’s because there is no ‘Catholic’ Church in the Bible.

There’s those who believe in Christ and have accepted Him as their personal Savior. They are Christ’s sheep, who know His voice and follow Him.

And then there’s the sheep who don’t believe in Him, who have rejected Him as their personal Savior and so do not know His voice and flee from Him. Their father is the devil.

Jesus talks all about this in the Gospel of John, which vet refuses to read.


1,520 posted on 12/13/2014 7:10:27 PM PST by nicmarlo
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