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To: dsc
"So, God is wrapping up Creation, and He says (to Himself), “Let’s see. How many Graces are necessary at a bare minimum for salvation?” And He bestows just these Graces on mankind."

"The notion that a Grace does not exist because it is (in some man’s eyes) not “necessary” for salvation, is of and from Satan."

I utterly reject the unBiblical proposition your post contains. By arguing this way, your post minimizes what God has abundantly given. I can only hope your post was not thought out very well and is not a reflection of what you might believe.

I am astounded you would post this during Advent.

God has already provide His grace to redeem everyone on earth. They must respond. His Grace isn't "minimum." It is overflowing and abundant. He gave His Son. He paid for the sins of all mankind on the cross. He graciously gave the One thing that could yield salvation.

What your post describes as "graces" minimizes what God has accomplished on the cross when He said, "It is finished."

Even the Apostle Paul said, "Thank God for His indescribable gift!"

Yet, your post attempts to sneak some good old fashioned paganism into the equation and make the amazing gift of God seem parsimonious. Christ's sacrifice isn't the minimum. It is more than can ever be used up. God isn't stingy. His grace in Christ is overflowing.

Please rethink your non-Biblical assertions.

279 posted on 12/08/2014 9:29:47 AM PST by aMorePerfectUnion ( "I didn't leave the Central Oligarchy Party. It left me." - Ronaldus Maximus)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion
I am astounded you would post this during Advent.

Indeed!

The bible is VERY clear about spoiling Advent!

290 posted on 12/08/2014 9:48:20 AM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

“I utterly reject the unBiblical proposition your post contains.”

Your post consists in its entirety of drivel so illogical as to repudiate sanity itself. In it, you contradict even your own earlier syllogism, “Unnecessary, ergo nonexistent.”

“His Grace isn’t “minimum.’ ”

You are the one who argued that it is, when you argued that the Immaculate Conception must be a false dogma because it is “…unnecessary for salvation...” In so arguing, you are positing a limen, a threshold above which things are necessary for salvation, and below which they are not. If we agree that God has provided at least those Graces that are necessary, that limen is the minimum.

“Yet, your post attempts to sneak some good old fashioned paganism into the equation and make the amazing gift of God seem parsimonious.”

The well-known servant of Satan V. I. Lenin said, “Accuse others of what you do.” My note chided you for just what you accuse me of in this note. I am not the one who argues that dogma must be false because it fails to rise to a limen of necessity that I myself tried to call into being.

You are the one who wrote “unnecessary for salvation,” not I. You are the one who writes that anything not rising to this limen is false, not I. You are the one who accuses God of parsimony, not I.

“Please rethink your non-Biblical assertions.”

Please rethink…well, everything you “know.”

Start with the notion that any man could know what is or is not necessary for any other man’s salvation.


291 posted on 12/08/2014 10:00:03 AM PST by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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