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To: Pete from Shawnee Mission


Unless Joseph was older and had previously been married and these were Jesus’ older half brothers.-——

That’s a possibility, but you would think as much as that time period was orally and written by multiple people and historians that fact would at least be hinted at or referenced in some form or fashion...

I think I will stick with ocams razor...


27 posted on 12/06/2014 6:04:40 PM PST by Popman
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To: Popman
Scripture says clearly that at least some of the people called Jesus' "brothers" cannot possibly be children of Mary and Joseph.

James and Joses are identified elsewhere in the Scriptures as the sons of a man named "Alphaeus". The Gospels call James and Judas (not the Iscariot) Jesus' "brothers" in one place, but in another, it's clear that Judas is actually James' son. None of Jesus' "brothers and sisters" are ever identified as sons or daughters of Mary.

30 posted on 12/06/2014 6:21:07 PM PST by Campion
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To: Popman
I think I will stick with ocams razor...

Would that be Norelco, or Gillette?

72 posted on 12/06/2014 7:24:38 PM PST by verga (You anger Catholics by telling them a lie, you anger protestants by telling them the truth.)
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To: Popman; NYer

There really is not much written early (first century) Church history outside the New Testament. There is a work by F.F. Bruce that does discuss extra biblical historical documents , “Jesus and Christian Origins Outside the New Testament” (Grand Rapids: Eerdmans, 1974). A good book.

For other early writings consider the Patristic Fathers, Clement,Justin Martyr, Eusebius, etc.

I would note that there were a number of protestant reformers like Luther, Calvin, and Wesley who considered Mary to be Perpetual Virgin. But that issue looks back to this divisive looking thread....

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/934893/posts

(NYer writes; “Pinging the troops ... both camps! I’ll put on the first pot of coffee.”)


119 posted on 12/07/2014 10:37:19 AM PST by Pete from Shawnee Mission
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