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To: NKP_Vet; metmom; daniel1212; boatbums; Gamecock; CynicalBear
"The Lord has redeemed all of us, all of us, with the Blood of Christ: all of us, not just Catholics. Everyone! ‘Father, the atheists?’ Even the atheists. Everyone! And this Blood makes us children of God of the first class! We are created children in the likeness of God and the Blood of Christ has redeemed us all! And we all have a duty to do good. And this commandment for everyone to do good, I think, is a beautiful path towards peace. If we, each doing our own part, do good to others, if we meet there, doing good, and we go slowly, gently, little by little, we will make that culture of encounter that so much. We must meet one another doing good. ‘But I don’t believe, Father, I am an atheist!’ But do good: we will meet one another there." -Pope Francis

Wow and here you and other RCs just two weeks ago cried havoc when Billy Graham stated his assurance of salvation based on Grace and not his works but Christ's work.

Yet now we have your Pope, your leader in spiritual matters. The head honcho stating as long as atheists are 'good' they can enter the Kingdom of God.

5 posted on 11/26/2014 11:26:03 AM PST by redleghunter (But let your word 'yes be 'yes,' and your 'no be 'no.' Anything more than this is from the evil one.)
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To: redleghunter
Pope Francis strikes me with his statements as being a Catholic heretic like Martin Luther.

Being a heretic doesn't necessarily mean you are wrong; but it does mean from his point of view the Catholic Church is off track.
The Pope's statement is certainly not a Catholic long time doctrine.
The Pope's statement is something some of the other heretics( Protestants) would agree with.

As I said early on, Pope Francis is going to be to the Catholic Church what Obama is to our country - a disaster. -tom

8 posted on 11/26/2014 11:41:20 AM PST by Capt. Tom (Don't confuse U.S. citizens and Americans. They are not necessarily the same. -tom)
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To: redleghunter

The pope said “do good”. Just works get you heaven with Frankie, believing in Jesus Christ not necessary.


13 posted on 11/26/2014 11:58:42 AM PST by NKP_Vet ("Extra Ecclesiam nulla salus")
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To: redleghunter

Oh my!!! That ought to help the Catholic Church join all religions into one.


16 posted on 11/26/2014 12:13:19 PM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: redleghunter; Gamecock
....and here you and other RCs just two weeks ago cried havoc when Billy Graham stated his assurance of salvation based on Grace and not his works but Christ's work.

"Kiss the ring, or the Blood won't clean!"

23 posted on 11/26/2014 12:32:45 PM PST by Alex Murphy ("the defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades")
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To: redleghunter; NKP_Vet; metmom; daniel1212; boatbums; CynicalBear; Alex Murphy

Once upon a time you couldn’t get into Heaven unless you were a Roman Catholic, and now atheists can get in?

Amazing how Catholic doctrine changes!


24 posted on 11/26/2014 12:34:21 PM PST by Gamecock (Joel Osteen is a Gospel preacher like Colonel Sanders is an Army officer.)
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To: redleghunter; metmom; boatbums; caww; presently no screen name; Springfield Reformer; ...
"The Lord has redeemed all of us, all of us, with the Blood of Christ: all of us, not just Catholics. Everyone! ‘Father, the atheists?’ Even the atheists. Everyone! And this Blood makes us children of God of the first class! We are created children in the likeness of God and the Blood of Christ has redeemed us all! And we all have a duty to do good. And this commandment for everyone to do good, I think, is a beautiful path towards peace. If we, each doing our own part, do good to others, if we meet there, doing good, and we go slowly, gently, little by little, we will make that culture of encounter that so much. We must meet one another doing good. ‘But I don’t believe, Father, I am an atheist!’ But do good: we will meet one another there." -Pope Francis

Wow and here you and other RCs just two weeks ago cried havoc when Billy Graham stated his assurance of salvation based on Grace and not his works but Christ's work.

Indeed, And is a source for said quote

http://www.newyorker.com/news/hendrik-hertzberg/father-the-atheists-even-the-atheists

Also, rather than the easy believism Rome associates with sola fide, in Puritan Protestantism there was often a tendency to make the way to the cross too narrow, perhaps in reaction against the Antinomian controversy as described in an account (http://www.the-highway.com/Early_American_Bauckham.html) of Puritans during the early American period that notes,

“They had, like most preachers of the Gospel, a certain difficulty in determining what we might call the ‘conversion level’, the level of difficulty above which the preacher may be said to be erecting barriers to the Gospel and below which he may be said to be encouraging men to enter too easily into a mere delusion of salvation. Contemporary critics, however, agree that the New England pastors set the level high. Nathaniel Ward, who was step-son to Richard Rogers and a distinguished Puritan preacher himself, is recorded as responding to Thomas Hooker’s sermons on preparation for receiving Christ in conversion with, ‘Mr. Hooker, you make as good Christians before men are in Christ as ever they are after’, and wishing, ‘Would I were but as good a Christian now as you make men while they are preparing for Christ.’”

54 posted on 11/26/2014 8:13:18 PM PST by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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