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To: editor-surveyor
editor-surveyor: "were you a believer, and studied in the word of God, you would have known that there are no “natural explanations of natural processes."

Please stop projecting your own ignorance onto me.
Just because you don't grasp it, doesn't me I don't.

What you don't "get" is that the US was Founded by men of the Age of Enlightenment, for whom the word "science" was just short for their term "natural science", which is expressly defined by the idea of "methodological naturalism", meaning: "natural explanations for natural processes".

The whole ideal of our Founders' "natural science" was to separate it from anything spiritual, metaphysical or supernatural, and limit science to those processes & explanations considered "natural".
Of course, our Founders never denied the existence of God, they were all at least "Deists".
But they believed that much of nature is ruled by natural laws, and they thought that was the proper realm for "natural science".

And indeed, "natural science" has proved amazingly powerful in transforming our material lives from that of our Founders' time to today.
But it has also come at an equal and opposite cost to our spiritual lives, which cannot be denied.
But for you to claim that "natural explanations for natural processes" just don't exist, is just to deny everything you see around you.

So, do I believe that God operates in and through "nature"?
Absolutely, in every conceivable way, but that is not to deny the fact that natural-science usefully explains things in terms which are consciously intended to exclude a supernatural component.

editor-surveyor: "The universe is not something that occurred by “natural” means, but by a deliberate work of special creation.
The fact that all that has been promoted in favor of “natural processes” has been shown to be fraudulent should give you pause."

Of course the Universe was created by God, according to logic and my faith, but natural-science is by design intended to exclude such explanations.
That does not make science a "fraud", unless you wish to claim that every modern convenience & technology is also somehow a "fraud".
I'd disagree.
But if you take your search for God to natural-science, then you must find Him there yourself -- all by yourself, with no help, no assistance, no obvious "pointing the way" from science.

editor-surveyor: "All things physical that exist were planned.
No understanding is evident in your posts."

Agreed with the first, as for the second: huge ignorance is obvious in your posts.

890 posted on 11/30/2014 2:43:54 PM PST by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective..)
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To: BroJoeK

The ignorance is deliberate, and all yours.

Creation is not a “natural process.”

The age of enlightenment will be when you and the rest of the unbelievers stand in awe of the first resurrection, knowing that the ten days of the wrath of Yehova are about to be poured out on the world.

Trying to manipulate the word of God to create room for natural processes to replace acts of special creation is not an industry of promise.


892 posted on 11/30/2014 3:18:48 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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