It would apply to those calling themselves prophets.
Murray made a prophesy. It didn't happen. He was a false prophet.
And so have some of you made a false prediction. You say Rom 11:4 doesn't apply to the end times. You're wrong. So are you a false prophet also? People who read God's Word are sometimes wrong. It happens to all of us.
The logic is simple, the Scripture is clear. It's up to you whether you will continue to defend the man over God's word.
Oh yeah, he's the best I've seen and wrong much less than any other pastor/teacher.
It isn't about Murray, or anyone else; it's about God. Murray's wrong teachings in no way affect the truth of the Gospel. Murray was one man; God was and is and shall be. He's the one who deserves your loyalty.
Yep. That why I say Arnold is right 90% of the time and God is right 100% of the time.
Yep, it's true. the information is readily available.
Oookaaay.
False prophecy,...
Wrong prediction, as has happened to all of us.
...insulting critics by calling them names (would the disciples have done so?),...
Oh certainly! Peter called Simon Magus the "gall of bitterness".
...lying about his qualifications...
Proof? In your own words, not some false website.
......ask yourself honestly if this is what a man of God is supposed to be.
Oh certainly!
"Oookaaay."
That's right.
Every single bit of criticism about Arnold Murray is made-up/untrue/politically correct/a huge conspiracy/sent down by the Martians to disrupt our satellites.
His claim was investigated and proven untrue, you say? Well, that just can't be. Even if you THINK it was "proven", it's all a lie by the PC people, because...because, well, it's Arnold! "They" wiped out all evidence that a doctorate every existed!
Dude, continue on with your personality cult. I'll send up some prayers for you, but I'm not wasting any more time with you here. Good Saturday night to you.
Please posit here in this thread how 7000 elect in end times relates to Romans 11:4? By the clear context the subject is unbelieving Israel (literal physical people as Paul points out he is one). In order to 'claim' heritage in the supposed end times 7000 you would have to be a physical (not just spiritual) descendant of Israel. Please explain your specific linkage to your claim. Below is the passage in question:
Romans 11 King James Version (KJV)
I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin. 2 God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel saying, 3 Lord, they have killed thy prophets, and digged down thine altars; and I am left alone, and they seek my life. 4 But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal. 5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.
6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work. 7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded. 8 (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear;) unto this day.
9 And David saith, Let their table be made a snare, and a trap, and a stumblingblock, and a recompence unto them: 10 Let their eyes be darkened, that they may not see, and bow down their back alway. 11 I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy.
12 Now if the fall of them be the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fulness? 13 For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office: 14 If by any means I may provoke to emulation them which are my flesh, and might save some of them.
15 For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead? 16 For if the firstfruit be holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root be holy, so are the branches. 17 And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert grafted in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;
18 Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee. 19 Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be grafted in. 20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear: 21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee. 22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.
23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be grafted in: for God is able to graft them in again. 24 For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert grafted contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree?
25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins. 28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the father's sakes. 29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance. 30 For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief:
31 Even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy. 32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all. 33 O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out!
34 For who hath known the mind of the Lord? or who hath been his counsellor? 35 Or who hath first given to him, and it shall be recompensed unto him again? 36 For of him, and through him, and to him, are all things: to whom be glory for ever. Amen.
So you EXCUSE false prophecy as 'every body does it' and then condemn PCness?