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Did Adam and Eve Really Exist?
Crisis Magazine ^ | November 24, 2014 | DENNIS BONNETTE

Posted on 11/24/2014 1:07:14 PM PST by NYer

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To: Partisan Gunslinger

“What was true for 2350BC to 1950BC should be true for 1614AD to 2014AD...”

It might be, if you were using comparable samples and there was just the one variable to account for, but that’s not the case with your example.


661 posted on 11/28/2014 5:30:16 PM PST by Boogieman
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To: CatherineofAragon
Partisan Gunslinger, I haven’t been able to get through all of the thread, but can I ask...are you a follower of Arnold Murray/The Shepherd’s Chapel, by any chance?

I agree with him on most things. Funny, Arnold always hated the internet, the "net" as he called it. But it was the internet that set me straight and made me find him. Of course the internet in the 90s had every kind of stripe of Christianity you could study, and by sifting through and discerning out what was untrue, I caught Arnold on TV one morning and realized his direction was most correct. He was a great teacher/pastor.

Do you follow his broadcasts?

662 posted on 11/28/2014 5:36:33 PM PST by Partisan Gunslinger
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To: Boogieman

I think we’ve beat it to death. lol


663 posted on 11/28/2014 5:37:33 PM PST by Partisan Gunslinger
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To: ravenwolf
Reminds me of religion quite a bit, there are feel good sermons and there are sermons that we need.

So true.

Words to comfort the afflicted; and words to afflict the comfortable.

664 posted on 11/28/2014 5:43:53 PM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Partisan Gunslinger

Well, there is the Book of Enoch, which is at least as old as the Dead Sea Scrolls, so no later than the 1st Century AD. The Book of Jubilees also assumes the same interpretation, and is at least as old as Enoch.

Josephus ascribed to that interpretion in “Antiquities of the Jews”, ca AD 94. It was also the commonly expressed opinion of the early church fathers, recorded by the Anti-Nicene fathers, Justin Martyr, Irenaeus, Clement, and others. The interpretation was also recorded in the Jewish Midrash Targum Yerushalmi (pseudo-Jonathan), of uncertain date, but probably composed between 800-1300 AD.


665 posted on 11/28/2014 5:47:02 PM PST by Boogieman
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To: Partisan Gunslinger

No, I don’t follow him. Murray denies the Trinity and the existence of hell...just two of his false teachings.

I think he also believes Americans and Brits are the lost tribes of Israel.

Your talk of Eve being impregnated by a fallen angel made a light bulb go off in my head. I knew I’d heard that stuff before, and I finally realized where. What does Murray call it...”Serpent Seed” doctrine, I believe?


666 posted on 11/28/2014 5:47:16 PM PST by CatherineofAragon ((Support Christian white males---the architects of the jewel known as Western Civilization.))
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To: Partisan Gunslinger

I asked you a question, despite you attempts to make it into something more, that’s all it was.


667 posted on 11/28/2014 5:52:48 PM PST by Boogieman
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To: Boogieman
Well, there is the Book of Enoch, which is at least as old as the Dead Sea Scrolls, so no later than the 1st Century AD. The Book of Jubilees also assumes the same interpretation, and is at least as old as Enoch.

I read part of the book of Enoch, it struck me as untrue and not very old. But that's my opinion, it's at least as old as the middle ages. Trouble is that the Catholic Church kept the Word from the people to keep their power, so I don't know if many got the message. Regardless, yeah, that's a good example.

Josephus ascribed to that interpretion in “Antiquities of the Jews”, ca AD 94. It was also the commonly expressed opinion of the early church fathers, recorded by the Anti-Nicene fathers, Justin Martyr, Irenaeus, Clement, and others. The interpretation was also recorded in the Jewish Midrash Targum Yerushalmi (pseudo-Jonathan), of uncertain date, but probably composed between 800-1300 AD.

Good examples. I never heard it until I did deeper studies.

668 posted on 11/28/2014 5:52:55 PM PST by Partisan Gunslinger
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To: Partisan Gunslinger

“I can’t help you understand the Word...”

Well, I think that is quite apparent. You want us to substitute a day for a thousand years, but only when the mood strikes you and you can’t explain when or why that is. I think I’ll stick with a more sensible method.


669 posted on 11/28/2014 5:56:25 PM PST by Boogieman
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To: CatherineofAragon
No, I don’t follow him. Murray denies the Trinity and the existence of hell...just two of his false teachings.

You've been reading too many false websites. Arnold always spoke of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. Hell will exist at Final Judgment.

Your talk of Eve being impregnated by a fallen angel made a light bulb go off in my head. I knew I’d heard that stuff before, and I finally realized where. What does Murray call it...”Serpent Seed” doctrine, I believe?

He never called it that. Eve was beguiled by the serpent. Satan's attempt to stop Jesus from being born. It failed, Noah was saved.

670 posted on 11/28/2014 5:56:50 PM PST by Partisan Gunslinger
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To: CatherineofAragon

Funny your accusatory post is post 666.


671 posted on 11/28/2014 5:57:24 PM PST by Partisan Gunslinger
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To: Boogieman
I asked you a question, despite you attempts to make it into something more, that’s all it was.

Only one person and God knows if that is true.

672 posted on 11/28/2014 5:58:32 PM PST by Partisan Gunslinger
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To: Boogieman
Well, I think that is quite apparent. You want us to substitute a day for a thousand years, but only when the mood strikes you and you can’t explain when or why that is. I think I’ll stick with a more sensible method.

Not a mood, it's rightly dividing the Word.

673 posted on 11/28/2014 5:59:45 PM PST by Partisan Gunslinger
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To: Partisan Gunslinger

“I read part of the book of Enoch, it struck me as untrue and not very old.”

There are two versions of the Book of Enoch, one is more recent and obviously modified by some kind of gnostic/heretical sect. The other can be documented of authentic Hebrew origin from that time period, because matching fragments of the text were found with the Dead Sea scrolls.

“Good examples. I never heard it until I did deeper studies.”

It’s not the fashionable explanation nowadays, so I’m not surprised. When you go to read the old sources, though, it does seem to be the most widespread reading of the text.


674 posted on 11/28/2014 6:02:13 PM PST by Boogieman
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To: Partisan Gunslinger

“Not a mood, it’s rightly dividing the Word.”

Well, it must be “rightly” to you, since you can’t seem to tell us an objective way for others to apply the same standard. So, it’s subjective, subject to your moods.


675 posted on 11/28/2014 6:04:17 PM PST by Boogieman
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To: Boogieman
There are two versions of the Book of Enoch, one is more recent and obviously modified by some kind of gnostic/heretical sect. The other can be documented of authentic Hebrew origin from that time period, because matching fragments of the text were found with the Dead Sea scrolls.

I'm not a big fan of the Dead Sea scrolls either. It could have been like finding the Koresh compound.

676 posted on 11/28/2014 6:07:27 PM PST by Partisan Gunslinger
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To: Boogieman
Well, it must be “rightly” to you, since you can’t seem to tell us an objective way for others to apply the same standard. So, it’s subjective, subject to your moods.

Study, and asking the Holy Spirit for help. I can see the way you focus on the wrong things that you have many stumblingblocks, as do a couple others on here.

677 posted on 11/28/2014 6:09:26 PM PST by Partisan Gunslinger
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To: Partisan Gunslinger

“I can see the way you focus on the wrong things that you have many stumblingblocks, as do a couple others on here.”

Thanks, but I honestly can’t put much stock in your opinion on the matter.


678 posted on 11/28/2014 6:13:37 PM PST by Boogieman
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To: Boogieman
Thanks, but I honestly can’t put much stock in your opinion on the matter.

Of course you can't. Why change direction now? lol

679 posted on 11/28/2014 6:17:04 PM PST by Partisan Gunslinger
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To: Partisan Gunslinger

Heading out till tomorrow night, if the fates allow, things can go back to a watered down politically correct state again. lol


680 posted on 11/28/2014 6:26:03 PM PST by Partisan Gunslinger
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