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A Reflection on Perhaps the “Meanest” and Most Shocking Thing Jesus Ever Said
Archdiocese of Washington ^ | November 18, 2014 | Msgr. Charles Pope

Posted on 11/19/2014 6:44:19 AM PST by Salvation

A Reflection on Perhaps the “Meanest” and Most Shocking Thing Jesus Ever Said

By: Msgr. Charles Pope

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The Gospel from today’s Mass (Wed. of the 33rd Week – Luke 19:11-27) is known as the “Parable of the Ten Gold Coins.” It is similar to Matthew’s “Parable of the Talents” from Sunday, but with certain significant differences and an ending so shocking that, when I read it at daily Mass some years ago, a young child said audibly to her mother, “Wow, that’s mean!”

I’d like to take a look at it and ponder its shocking ending.

As I said, the parable is similar to the “Parable of the Talents” except that in this parable, ten people each receive one gold coin. Despite the fact that there are ten people, we only hear the reports of three of them (as in the Matthean account), two who show a profit and one who shows an angry and disdainful lack of profit.

Another significant difference is the weaving of another parable (let’s call it the “Parable of the Rejected King”) into the story. Briefly stated, here are the lines of the parable, along with its shocking ending:

A nobleman went off to a distant country to obtain the kingship for himself and then to return. His fellow citizens, however, despised him and sent a delegation after him to announce, “We do not want this man to be our king.” But when he returned after obtaining the kingship … [He said] “Now as for those enemies of mine who did not want me as their king, bring them here and slay them before me” (Luke 19:12,14, 27-28).

In analyzing a text like this I must say that I was disappointed at the silence of most commentaries. The shocking verse “slay them before me” goes largely unremarked.

The Fathers seem to say little (though perhaps you will correct me). I did find two references in the Catena Aurea. Augustine says of this verse, Whereby He describes the ungodliness of the Jews who refused to be converted to Him. And Theophilus adds, Whom he will deliver to death, casting them into the outer fire. But even in this world they were most miserably slain by the Roman army.

Hence both Fathers take the verse at face value and even declare it to be historically fulfilled in the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD. Josephus indicates in his work that 1.2 million Jews were killed in that dreadful war.

I must say, however, historically fulfilled or not, the triumphal and vengeful tone of Jesus still puzzles me. For if this verse does refer to the destruction of 70 AD, how do we account for Jesus’ tone here when just verses later He weeps over Jerusalem?

As Jesus approached Jerusalem and saw the city, he wept over it and said, “If you, even you, had only known on this day what would bring you peace—but now it is hidden from your eyes. The days will come upon you when your enemies will build an embankment against you and encircle you and hem you in on every side. They will dash you to the ground, you and the children within your walls. They will not leave one stone on another, because you did not recognize the time of God’s coming to you” (Lk 19:41-44).

Certainly a variety of emotions can sweep over even the God-man Jesus, but let me also suggest some other contextual and cultural considerations that frame Jesus’ startling and “mean” words, Now as for those enemies of mine who did not want me as their king, bring them here and slay them before me.

1. Jesus is speaking in the prophetic tradition - Prophets spoke this way, using startling and often biting imagery and characterizations. Though many today have tried to tame and domesticate Jesus, the real Jesus spoke vividly, in the prophetic tradition. He often used shocking and paradoxical images. He spoke bluntly, as prophets do, calling his hostile interlocutors hypocrites, vipers, children of the devil, whitewashed tombs, evil, foolish, blind guides, and the sons of those who murdered the prophets. He warns them that they will be sentenced to Hell unless they repent, and lays them out for their inconsistency and hardness of heart. This is what prophets do; they speak in this manner.

So, in speaking “mean” like this, Jesus is firmly in the tradition of the prophets, who spoke in a similar manner. Thus, in understanding the words of Jesus that we are considering (“slay them in my presence”) we cannot overlook the prophetic context. His words, which seem to us angry and even vengeful, are expected in the prophetic tradition from which He speaks; they are intentionally shocking. Their purpose is to provoke a response.

Prophets used hyperbole and shock to convey and frame their call to repentance. And while we ought not simply dismiss Jesus’ words as exaggeration, we should not fail to see them in the traditional context of prophetic speach.

Hence they may not, in fact,  portray an attitude of vengeance personally in Jesus’ heart but are to be understood as prophecy toward those who refuse to repent. They will die in their sins. And their refusal to reconcile with God and their neighbors (in this case the Romans) will indeed lead to a terrible war wherein they will be slain, dying horribly.

2. The Jewish culture and language often used hyperbole – Even beyond the prophetic tradition, the ancient Jews often used all-or-nothing language in their manner of speech. Although I am no Hebrew scholar, I have been taught that the Hebrew Language contains far fewer comparative words than does English or many other languages. Comparative words are words such as more, less, greater, fewer, most, especially, and so forth. Hence, if an ancient Jew were asked if he liked chocolate or vanilla ice cream more, he would say something like “I like chocolate and hate vanilla.” And by this he really means “I like chocolate more.” Thus, we see that Jesus says elsewhere that we must love Him and hate our parents, spouse, and children (e.g., Lk 14:26). He does not mean that we should hate them vengefully. Rather, this is a Jewish way of saying that we must love Him more and the most.

This background explains the ancient Jewish tendency to speak in hyperbole (exaggeration) and to often couch things in all-or-nothing terms. It is not that they did not comprehend nuances; they just did not speak in that manner, instead allowing the context to supply that “hate” does not mean literal hate, etc.

This linguistic background helps explain how the more extremist elements of prophetic language take shape.

We ought to be careful, however, not to simply dismiss things as hyperbole. We in the modern West who speak English may love that our language has greater nuance. But sometimes we are so nuanced that we say little. At some point we must say either yes or no; we must be with God or against Him. In the end, even if purgatory intervenes, there is only Heaven or Hell.

The ancient Jewish way of speaking in a rather all-or-nothing manner is not primitive per se, and it has a refreshing and honest way of insisting that we decide for or against God, that we decide what is right and what is just.

Thus, though Jesus words are harsh (part of the Hebraic way of speaking), they DO call the question. For either we choose God and live, or we choose sin and die spiritually. For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord (Roma 6:23).

3. Jesus is speaking to hardened sinners – The audience here is important as well.  As Jesus draws near to Jerusalem He is entering hostile territory. The sinners and unbelievers He encounters are very rigid and have hardened their hearts against Him. Hence, Jesus’ words must be understood as strong medicine.

One can imagine a doctor saying to a stubborn patient, “If you do not change your ways, you will die soon and I’ll see you at your funeral.” While some may consider this a poor “bedside manner,” there are some patients for whom such language is necessary and appropriate.

Jesus is dealing with hardened sinners here and so He speaks bluntly. They are headed for death and Hell and He tells them so.

Perhaps we, who live in these “dainty” times and are so easily offended and so afraid of giving offense, could learn from such an approach. There are some who just need to hear from priests, parents, and others, “If you do not change your ways, I do not see how you can avoid being sentenced to Hell.”

4. A final thought, a theory really, that some have advanced - According to this theory, Jesus is referring to an actual historical incident and using it to disabuse His listeners of their fond thoughts of a new king. After the death of Herod the Great, Archelaus, his son, went to Rome to receive the title of king. A group of Jews also appeared in Rome before Caesar Augustus and opposed the request of Archelaus. Although not given the title of king, Archelaus was made ruler over Judea and Samaria, and later had those Jews who opposed him killed.

Kings are often despots – Since many Jews thought the Messiah (when he came) would be a king, some were hoping that Jesus was going to Jerusalem to take up the role of an earthly king. According to this theory, since the people pined for a king, Jesus uses this fearsome parable and reminder that earthly kings are usually despotic. Jesus is thus trying to disabuse them of the notion that He or anyone else should be their earthly king.

While this theory has a lot to recommend it, especially historical precedent, it seems unlikely that the Gospel text would use such an historically localized event to make such a narrow point. Jesus is not just speaking to the people of that time and place; He is also speaking to us. Hence, even if this explanation may have partial historical context, the meaning would also need to extend beyond one incident in the ancient past.

Well, there you have it. I am interested in your thoughts as well. Since the commentaries I consulted seemed rather silent, perhaps you have read commentaries worth sharing. Likewise, perhaps you know of some other quotes of the Fathers I could not find.

Is Jesus being mean here? No. Is He being blunt and painfully clear? Yes. And frankly some of us need it. In these thin-skinned times we may bristle at such talk, but that’s our problem. Good, refreshing honesty and a clear diagnosis are far more important than our precious feelings.

And here’s Jesus in prophetic mode—no compromises.



TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; History; Theology
KEYWORDS: catholic; goldcoins; jesus; lk19; msgrcharlespope; parable; parableofthetalents
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To: ShadowAce

Matthew 15:26 was exactly what came to my mind as the “meanest” thing Jesus ever said ...


21 posted on 11/19/2014 7:30:06 AM PST by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: Salvation

Sadly, too many people in DENIAL. Denial is NOT a river in Egypt.


22 posted on 11/19/2014 7:31:17 AM PST by Biggirl (2014 MIdterms Were BOTH A Giant Wave And Restraining Order)
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To: Salvation
This so interesting. I just looked up Monsignor Pope. I expected him to be older for some reason. LOL. A lot to think on here. I will be interested to see the comments.
23 posted on 11/19/2014 7:34:05 AM PST by defconw (Both parties have clearly lost their minds!)
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To: Salvation

Interesting FR name: Salvation, which is the name of the Word made flesh, Yeshua! Greetings Yeshua!

2 Chronicles 6:41
Now therefore arise, YHVH God, to Your resting place, You and the ark of Your might; let Your priests, YHVH God, be clothed with Yeshua(salvation) and let Your godly ones rejoice in what is good.

Psalm 24:5
He shall receive a blessing from the YHVH And righteousness from the God of his Yeshua(salvation).

Psalm 25:5
Lead me in Your truth and teach me, For You are the God of my Yeshua(salvation); For You I wait all the day.

Psalm 50:23
He who offers a sacrifice of thanksgiving honors Me; And to him who orders his way aright I shall show the Yeshua(salvation) of God.

Acts 13:26
Brethren, sons of Abraham’s family, and those among you who fear God, to us the message of this Yeshua(salvation) has been sent.


24 posted on 11/19/2014 7:43:25 AM PST by veracious
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To: Salvation
Reflection

Life is short and death is sure, the hour of death remains obscure. A soul you have and only one. If that be lost all hope is gone. Waste not your time while time shall last. For after death 'tis ever past. The all-seeing God your Judge will be. Or heaven or hell your destiny. All earthly things will fleet away. Eternity will ever stay.

-unknown

25 posted on 11/19/2014 7:43:26 AM PST by notaliberal (St. Michael the Archangel, defend us in battle,)
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To: Salvation

I bought a copy of “The Merged Gospels” by Gary Crossland. It is billed as “A literal translation of the Greek Gospels, broken down word-by-word in four columns, and reassembled chronologically into one flowing story.” It is not for the squeamish.


26 posted on 11/19/2014 7:48:27 AM PST by odawg
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To: cuban leaf

“Look at what he had to say every single time his mother was being discussed.”

Yes, He never has seemed sentimental! There is a frightening quality to Jesus Christ because we are, on many levels, cowardly hiding from Him...as if He in any way meant us real harm.

I know He loved Mary, yet unsentimentally rejected any attempt to exalt her.


27 posted on 11/19/2014 7:52:59 AM PST by avenir (I'm pessimistic about man, but I'm optimistic about GOD!)
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To: avenir

I notice that he really seemed to love people but more from an eternal perspective rather than their life in their temporary tent (the human biological machine).

I am thinking of his comments to his disciples who were amazed by human structures and his “not one stone left on another” remark. It’s as if to him this is all temporal. In a very real sense, as if it is all “The Matrix”.


28 posted on 11/19/2014 8:02:39 AM PST by cuban leaf (The US will not survive the obama presidency. The world may not either.)
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To: Salvation
and even declare it to be historically fulfilled in the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD

That is a bit of a stretch. Theophilus says:

Whom he will deliver to death, casting them into the outer fire. But even in this world they were most miserably slain by the Roman army.
The focus is on the eternal punishment of those who reject Christ; the destruction of the temple by emperor Titus was a precursor to it, and Theophilus mentions it as such. Once we realize that the "mean" part is the Second Coming of Christ and the last judgment, it becomes clear that there is nothing out of line in the conclusion of this parable.

Look at the sinners descendign into the Fiery River:



Depart from me, you cursed, into everlasting fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels. (Matthew 25:41)

29 posted on 11/19/2014 8:03:49 AM PST by annalex (fear them not)
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To: Salvation

Yes—that was why I put “mean” in quotes.


30 posted on 11/19/2014 8:05:56 AM PST by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: Salvation
Love,love, LOVE Msgr. Pope!

He's tough!

31 posted on 11/19/2014 8:27:25 AM PST by Mrs. Don-o (Seriously.)
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To: cuban leaf

Interesting. Recently I was doing an online bible study and the pastor brought up the Matrix. There are some interesting parallels there.


32 posted on 11/19/2014 8:48:40 AM PST by avenir (I'm pessimistic about man, but I'm optimistic about GOD!)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Jesus. Will you send me to hell for disregarding you all my life and into my death?

MEANY!!!!!

To paraphrase John Adams from the movie “1776” ‘for crying out loud people, we’re declaring war, we have to offend SOMEBODY!’


33 posted on 11/19/2014 8:52:45 AM PST by If You Want It Fixed - Fix It
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To: avenir

I was in a prison ministry band and did the “speech” from the first movie. I had a crewcut, wore the shades and even the long black coat.

It began with “Let me tell you why you’re here.”, right out of the movie. I had to modify the end a bit to bring it to Christ and not Alice in Wonderland, but I most definitely think the movie is an allegory of the teachings of Christianity.

There is a controversy that Sophia Stewart actually came up with the story for The Third Eye, but apparently the court case did not go in her favor because she didn’t show up for a hearing. I believe she saw it as a Christian allegory.

It could explain why the second and third movies were such stinkers.

But yes, the Christians took the red pill.


34 posted on 11/19/2014 9:04:05 AM PST by cuban leaf (The US will not survive the obama presidency. The world may not either.)
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To: Salvation

Now as they heard these things, He spoke another parable, because He was near Jerusalem and because they thought the kingdom of God would appear immediately. (Luke 19:11 NKJV)

Dr. Luke says at the outset that the parable is meant to address the idea that the Kingdom of God would appear immediately.

It would seem Pope’s 4 somewhat touches on it.


35 posted on 11/19/2014 9:05:24 AM PST by ifinnegan
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To: cuban leaf

Your prison ministry performance sounds great. Have a great day!


36 posted on 11/19/2014 9:12:24 AM PST by avenir (I'm pessimistic about man, but I'm optimistic about GOD!)
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To: Salvation

Interesting.


37 posted on 11/19/2014 12:56:08 PM PST by OldNewYork
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To: avenir; cuban leaf
I had to watch that movie about three or four times before the WHOLE story made sense to me. I recall reading that the Wachowski brothers (now sister and brother) had the idea to make it a parallel to Jesus as the Savior who would lead mankind out of the false dream world built around them. Some people would refuse to escape and chose to remain, preferring the comfort of what wasn't "real" (Cypher, for example). I could see many real life comparisons.
38 posted on 11/19/2014 1:43:48 PM PST by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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