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To: BlatherNaut; ebb tide; Mrs. Don-o

I think for some as long as it appears that the big political issues don’t officially change (abortion, etc), then everything is hunky dory.

So far no one has mentioned that Francis’ comments in the OP were made in an INTERRELIGIOUS meeting. That alone is a Modernist-heretical action and contradicts hundreds of years of Catholic teaching. Contradictions don’t only have to be the big moral issues that FReepers focus/vote on so much. Contradictions stem from much larger ecclesiastical issues that originated from Vatican II like a huge one: false ecumenism.


35 posted on 11/19/2014 2:39:17 AM PST by piusv
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To: piusv
So far no one has mentioned that Francis’ comments in the OP were made in an INTERRELIGIOUS meeting. That alone is a Modernist-heretical action and contradicts hundreds of years of Catholic teaching.

Indeed.

40 posted on 11/19/2014 5:06:41 AM PST by BlatherNaut
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To: piusv
I think for some as long as it appears that the big political issues don’t officially change (abortion, etc), then everything is hunky dory.

Either that, or perhaps they deliberately choose to avoid facing unfortunate facts, or at the very least seek to conceal or minimize them. Might this be an indication of a lack of holy detachment and of confidence and abandonment to God, Who knows how to draw good from all things?

45 posted on 11/19/2014 8:06:58 AM PST by BlatherNaut
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To: piusv
If you're going to criticize papal involvement in ecumenical prayer and discussion meetings, you'll have to dedicate your red pen to the histories of Popes John XIII, Paul VI, John Paul II and Benedict XVI as well, because they all participated in or convened similar meetings.

It's strange that you find this regrettable. The Humanum conference (LINK), which I think ends tomorrow, was a huge interreligious forum reasserting the complementarity of male and female, contributing to the theological doctrine that marriage is for male and female ONLY, and that it forms a durable bond which is the foundation of human personalty (in the raising of children by father and mother) as well as the foundation of human civilization.

Here's the strongest affirmation of traditional marriage ethic possible. The shared affirmation by Protestants, Orthodox and Jews clearly underlines the fact that this ethic is rooted, not in some peculiarly Catholic interpretation, but in Natural Law: that which reason and good will can discern about what is required for human flourishing.

David Quinn, director of the IONA institute (Irish organization in defense of traditional Catholic doctrines on sex, gender, marriage and family) said, "The conference is obviously an extremely major international gathering about the importance of marriage between a man and a woman." "It's probably the most significant gathering of its kind to date that's been organized by the Church, and specifically by the CDF."

You're not finding this --- the strong affirmation of male/female, husband/wife, father/mother ---- trumpeted in the media now, are you? Of course not. It is marked OMIT as far as they are concerned: DELETE-DELETE-DELETE. Because the media are working on their Narrative, and this is not part of their favored Francis story line. Don't you get that?

Upcoming is another HUGE interreligious meeting: the World Meeting of Families (Philadelphia 2015). Archbishop Chaput, sponsoring the meeting (LINK), said they're not likely to even bring up so-called "gay" "marriage," divorced-and-remarried Communion controversies and so forth, because they were there to affirm traditional marriage and deal with other challenges to marriage such as unemployment, addiction, disabilities, and the damaging effects of divorce.

This traditionalist aspect of the Meeting of Families --- the largest such meeting, probably, in the history of the world --- is not even on the media's radar. Is it on yours?

46 posted on 11/19/2014 8:23:28 AM PST by Mrs. Don-o (Seriously.)
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