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| November 11, 2014
| Anonymous
Posted on 11/13/2014 8:53:33 AM PST by greyfoxx39
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To: colorcountry
To: colorcountry
If Joseph was a deceiver, who willfully attempted to mislead people, then he should be exposed, his claims should be refuted, and his doctrines shown to be false
President Joseph Fielding Smith I wonder why on this thread, the exposure of Smith's falseness is such a bother to some posters...even those who claim to not be mormons? Also, the blanket "mormons are just the nicest people" claim is nothing but propaganda.
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posted on
11/13/2014 3:25:00 PM PST
by
greyfoxx39
(Valerie Jarrett warned us they would "get even with those who opposed them"..)
To: ifinnegan
Anonymous exmormon has some issues.
Get over it dude.We have no idea if this entire story is a fable, the truth or parts of both. It's on the Internet, that's all.
I think that it might be a teenager guy who was bored outta his gourd and made something up. Ever since the Internet spawned its wings, everybody is privy to everything on the Internet and there is an much truth on IT as there is in any book, newspaper, personal speaker or any media.
WHY trust these stories as fact? I sure don't.
My goodness, I'm sounding as cynical as if. :o)
To: ravenwolf
what I meant by single leader, was like a pope, or brigham young, or joseph smith, soemone who is above rebuke
individual protestant leaders of individual churches, I am sure there was more than one who was psycho, but protestantism never had a single entity leading it, except for the Church of England
THEY persecuted Baptists and Puritans, not just Catholics
My Great Great Grandmother was a Baptist in Northern Ireland, she got it from all sides, that is why she moved to Canada
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posted on
11/13/2014 4:48:43 PM PST
by
RaceBannon
(HAPPY BIRTHDAY MARINES!)
To: RaceBannon
but protestantism never had a single entity leading it, except for the Church of England
That makes sense.
165
posted on
11/13/2014 5:22:30 PM PST
by
ravenwolf
(` know if an other temple will be built or not but the)
To: acad1228
Hell yes, I’ll defend Mormonism.
Just the way I see it, if I believed in religion Mormonism would be as good as any and better than most.
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posted on
11/13/2014 5:33:34 PM PST
by
ravenwolf
(` know if an other temple will be built or not but the)
To: freedomlover
Really?
Yes the founders of Christianity was started By the Israelites who was started by Abraham through his son and grandson,.
Both Abraham and his grandson Jacob were polygamists.
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posted on
11/13/2014 5:46:54 PM PST
by
ravenwolf
(` know if an other temple will be built or not but the)
To: Sparklite
Have you EVER had either of the three?
168
posted on
11/13/2014 7:31:37 PM PST
by
Elsie
( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
To: acad1228
Hell yes, I'll defend Mormonism.
I'm a dyed-in-the-wool Southern Baptist.Your chosen religion group doesn't.
Mormonism is not Christianity. FYI -->
Christian churches teach belief in God as an eternal, self-existent, immortal being, unfettered by corporeal limitations and unchanging in both character and nature. In recent years, several Christian denominations have made studies of Mormon teaching and come to the conclusion that there are irreconcilable differences between LDS doctrine and Christian beliefs based on the Bible.
Some Mormons undoubtedly become Christians, and evidently leave the Mormon sect they were members of behind.
(Thanks to delacort for compiling this list)
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posted on
11/13/2014 7:34:36 PM PST
by
Elsie
( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
To: acad1228
Hell yes, I'll defend Mormonism.
To your credit; you didn't.
You defended the BELIVERS of it.
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posted on
11/13/2014 7:35:22 PM PST
by
Elsie
( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
To: acad1228
I've read the B.o.M. and the D & C as well as the P.o.G.P. I don't agree with everything they believe, but I will defend their right to believe it.So...
Is it a FALSE gospel or not?
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posted on
11/13/2014 7:36:20 PM PST
by
Elsie
( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
To: Elsie
Yes. And whenever I have X-rays, I am obliged to explain the lead bullet fragments that remain in my body from my encounter with him. Been there, done that.
To: colorcountry
...
which theyve been taught is naughty in the extreme.Yet, when it is posted, and dissected one sentence at a time; they can point to NOTHING that is wrong!
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posted on
11/13/2014 7:37:40 PM PST
by
Elsie
( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
To: colorcountry
...
they can point to NOTHING that is wrong!They can complain about the Trinity; because they have no idea what is in their OWN scriptures!
Mormon Trinity.
Mormon 7:7
And he hath brought to pass the of the , whereby he that is found before him at the judgment day hath it given unto him to in the presence of God in his kingdom, to sing ceaseless praises with the above, unto the Father, and unto the Son, and unto the Holy Ghost, which are God, in a state of which hath no end.
An 1830 statement titled "Testimony of Three Witnesses"one statement signed by three men rather than three separate statementswas published at the end of the first edition of the Book of Mormon:
Be it known unto all nations, kindreds, tongues, and people, unto whom this work shall come: That we, through the grace of God the Father, and our Lord Jesus Christ, have seen the plates which contain this record, which is a record of the people of Nephi, and also of the Lamanites, his brethren, and also of the people of Jared, who came from the tower of which hath been spoken. And we also know that they have been translated by the gift and power of God, for his voice hath declared it unto us; wherefore we know of a surety that the work is true. And we also testify that we have seeen [sic] the engravings which are upon the plates; and they have been shewn unto us by the power of God, and not of man. And we declare with words of soberness, that an angel of God came down from heaven, and he brought and laid before our eyes, that we beheld and saw the plates, and the engravings thereon; and we know that it is by the grace of God the Father, and our Lord Jesus Christ, that we beheld and bear record that these things are true. And it is marvellous [sic] in our eyes. Nevertheless, the voice of the Lord commanded us that we should bear record of it; wherefore, to be obedient unto the commandments of God, we bear testimony of these things. And we know that if we are faithful in Christ, we shall rid our garments of the blood of all men, and be found spotless before the judgment-seat of Christ, and shall dwell with him eternally in the heavens. And the honor be to the Father, and to the Son, and to the Holy Ghost, which is one God. Amen.
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posted on
11/13/2014 7:39:26 PM PST
by
Elsie
( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
To: acad1228
Hell yes, I'll defend Mormonism. I'm a dyed-in-the-wool Southern Baptist who has known a good many Mormons.Well; they sure will NOT 'defend' Baptists!
They are clumped right together with all Protestants.
If you can get ANY Mormon to deny the things that are about to be posted; please; let me know!
Here ya go...
Questions put to Joseph Smith: "'Do you believe the Bible?' [Smith:]'If we do, we are the only people under heaven that does, for there are none of the religious sects of the day that do'. When asked 'Will everybody be damned, but Mormons'? [Smith replied] 'Yes, and a great portion of them, unless they repent, and work righteousness." (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 119).
Joseph Smith: "for the teachers of religion of the different sects understood the same passages of scripture so differently as to destroy all confidence in settling the question by an appeal to the Bible" (from Pearl of Great Price 1:12). "What is it that inspires professors of Christianity generally with a hope of salvation? It is that smooth, sophisticated influence of the devil, by which he deceives the whole world" (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p.270).
Brigham Young stated this repeatedly: "When the light came to me I saw that all the so-called Christian world was grovelling in darkness" (Journal of Discourses 5:73); "The Christian world, so-called, are heathens as to the knowledge of the salvation of God" (Journal of Discourses 8:171); "With a regard to true theology, a more ignorant people never lived than the present so-called Christian world" (Journal of Discourses 8:199); "And who is there that acknowledges [God's] hand? ...You may wander east, west, north, and south, and you cannot find it in any church or government on the earth, except the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints" (Journal of Discourses , vol. 6, p.24); "Should you ask why we differ from other Christians, as they are called, it is simply because they are not Christians as the New Testament defines Christianity" (Journal of Discourses 10:230).
Orson Pratt proclaimed: "Both Catholics and Protestants are nothing less than the 'whore of Babylon' whom the Lord denounces by the mouth of John the Revelator as having corrupted all the earth by their fornications and wickedness. Any person who shall be so corrupt as to receive a holy ordinance of the Gospel from the ministers of any of these apostate churches will be sent down to hell with them, unless they repent" (The Seer, p. 255).
Orson Pratt also said: "This
great apostasy commenced about the close of the first century of the Christian era, and it has been waxing worse and worse from then until now" (
Journal of Discourses , vol.18, p.44) and: "But as there has been no Christian Church on the earth for a great many centuries past, until the present century, the people have lost sight of the pattern that God has given according to which the Christian Church should be established, and they have denominated a great variety of people Christian Churches, because they profess to be ...But there has been a long apostasy, during which the nations have been cursed with apostate churches in great abundance" (Journal of Discourses , 18:172).
President John Taylor stated: "Christianity...is a perfect pack of nonsense...the devil could not invent a better engine to spread his work than the Christianity of the nineteenth century." (Journal of Discourses , vol. 6, p.167); "Where shall we look for the true order or authority of God? It cannot be found in any nation of Christendom." (Journal of Discourses , 10:127).
James Talmage said: "A self-suggesting interpretation of history indicates that there has been a great departure from the way of salvation as laid down by the Savior, a universal apostasy from the Church of Christ". (A Study of the Articles of Faith, p.182).
President Joseph Fielding Smith said: "Doctrines were corrupted, authority lost, and a false order of religion took the place of the gospel of Jesus Christ, just as it had been the case in former dispensations, and the people were left in spiritual darkness." (Doctrines of Salvation, p.266). "For hundreds of years the world was wrapped in a veil of spiritual darkness, until there was not one fundamental truth belonging to the place of salvation ...Joseph Smith declared that in the year 1820 the Lord revealed to him that all the 'Christian' churches were in error, teaching for commandments the doctrines of men" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 3, p.282).
More recent statements by apostle Bruce McConkie are also very clear: "Apostasy was universal...And this darkness still prevails except among those who have come to a knowledge of the restored gospel" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol 3, p.265); "Thus the signs of the times include the prevailing apostate darkness in the sects of Christendom and in the religious world in general" (The Millennial Messiah, p.403); "a perverted Christianity holds sway among the so-called Christians of apostate Christendom" (Mormon Doctrine, p.132); "virtually all the millions of apostate Christendom have abased themselves before the mythical throne of a mythical Christ whom they vainly suppose to be a spirit essence who is incorporeal uncreated, immaterial and three-in-one with the Father and Holy Spirit" (Mormon Doctrine, p.269); "Gnosticism is one of the great pagan philosophies which antedated Christ and the Christian Era and which was later commingled with pure Christianity to form the apostate religion that has prevailed in the world since the early days of that era." (Mormon Doctrine, p.316).
President George Q. Cannon said: "After the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints was organized, there were only two churches upon the earth. They were known respectively as the Church of the Lamb of God and Babylon. The various organizations which are called churches throughout Christendom, though differing in their creeds and organizations, have one common origin. They all belong to Babylon" (Gospel Truth, p.324).
President Wilford Woodruff stated: "the Gospel of modern Christendom shuts up the Lord, and stops all communication with Him. I want nothing to do with such a Gospel, I would rather prefer the Gospel of the dark ages, so called" (Journal of Discourses , vol. 2, p.196).
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posted on
11/13/2014 7:43:59 PM PST
by
Elsie
( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
To: acad1228
Orson Pratt proclaimed: "Both Catholics and Protestants are nothing less than the 'whore of Babylon' whom the Lord denounces...
(You DID catch this; right??)
All right, Mormons...
Do you affirm what's been quoted or deny it?
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posted on
11/13/2014 7:45:24 PM PST
by
Elsie
( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
To: cloudmountain
I think that it might be a teenager guy who was bored outta his gourd and made something up.
Joseph was 14 when first visited by...
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posted on
11/13/2014 7:53:01 PM PST
by
Elsie
( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
To: ravenwolf
Both Abraham and his grandson Jacob were polygamists.
How can a man start claiming to be a prophet and by blather and constant repetition, attain the status of a deity?
" The most brilliant propagandist technique will yield no success
unless one fundamental principle is borne in mind constantly -
- it must confine itself to a few points and repeat them over and over."
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posted on
11/13/2014 7:55:17 PM PST
by
Elsie
( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
To: ravenwolf
Both Abraham and his grandson Jacob were polygamists.
Mormon scriptures DENOUNCE polygamy.
The Book of MORMON:
THE BOOK OF JACOB
THE BROTHER OF NEPHI
CHAPTER 2
24 Behold, David and Solomon truly had many wives and concubines, which thing was abominable before me, saith the Lord.
25 Wherefore, thus saith the Lord, I have led this people forth out of the land of Jerusalem, by the power of mine arm, that I might raise up unto me a righteous branch from the fruit of the loins of Joseph.
26 Wherefore, I the Lord God will not suffer that this people shall do like unto them of old.
27 Wherefore, my brethren, hear me, and hearken to the word of the Lord: For there shall not any man among you have save it be one wife; and concubines he shall have none;
28 For I, the Lord God, delight in the chastity of women. And whoredoms are an abomination before me; thus saith the Lord of Hosts.
29 Wherefore, this people shall keep my commandments, saith the Lord of Hosts, or cursed be the land for their sakes.
30 For if I will, saith the Lord of Hosts, raise up seed unto me, I will command my people; otherwise they shall hearken unto these things.
31 For behold, I, the Lord, have seen the sorrow, and heard the mourning of the daughters of my people in the land of Jerusalem, yea, and in all the lands of my people, because of the wickedness and abominations of their husbands.
32 And I will not suffer, saith the Lord of Hosts, that the cries of the fair daughters of this people, which I have led out of the land of Jerusalem, shall come up unto me against the men of my people, saith the Lord of Hosts.
Doctrines and Covenants:
49:
16 Wherefore, it is lawful that
he should have one a, and they twain shall be
b flesh, and all this that the
c might answer the end of its creation;
The BIBLE:
1 Timothy 3:2-3
2. Now the overseer must be above reproach, the husband of but one wife, temperate, self-controlled, respectable, hospitable, able to teach,
3. not given to drunkenness, not violent but gentle, not quarrelsome, not a lover of money.
1 Timothy 3:12
A deacon must be the husband of but one wife and must manage his children and his household well.
Titus 1:6
An elder must be blameless, the husband of but one wife, a man whose children believe and are not open to the charge of being wild and disobedient.
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posted on
11/13/2014 7:57:52 PM PST
by
Elsie
( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
To: Sparklite
I’ll assume it ain’t the Mormon’s fault...
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posted on
11/13/2014 7:58:57 PM PST
by
Elsie
( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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