The Strawman Cometh-Continuation of threads on Joseph Smith's wives

exmormon.org ^ | November 11, 2014 | Anonymous

[Elsie]

[Elsie]

So, yes, Mormonism is better than many other creeds. And I'm not a Mormon, far from it.

Oooops!

You said...

CREED

That's a bit of a giveaway around here.

[Elsie]

Here is MORMONism's own creed:

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Articles of Faith

The Articles of Faith outline 13 basic points of belief of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
The Prophet Joseph Smith first wrote them in a letter to John Wentworth, a newspaper editor,
in response to Mr. Wentworth's request to know what members of the Church believed.
They were subsequently published in Church periodicals.
They are now regarded as scripture and included in the Pearl of Great Price.

 

THE ARTICLES OF FAITH
OF THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER-DAY SAINTS
History of the Church, Vol. 4, pp. 535—541

 

 

1. We believe in God, the Eternal Father, and in His Son, Jesus Christ, and in the Holy Ghost.
   
2. We believe that men will be punished for their own sins, and not for Adam's transgression.
   
3. We believe that through the Atonement of Christ, all mankind may be saved, by obedience to the laws and ordinances of the Gospel.
   
4. We believe that the first principles and ordinances of the Gospel are: first, Faith in the Lord Jesus Christ; second, Repentance; third, Baptism by immersion for the remission of sins; fourth, Laying on of hands for the gift of the Holy Ghost.
   
5. We believe that a man must be called of God, by prophecy, and by the laying on of hands by those who are in authority, to preach the Gospel and administer in the ordinances thereof.
   
6. We believe in the same organization that existed in the Primitive Church, namely, apostles, prophets, pastors, teachers, evangelists, and so forth.
   
7. We believe in the gift of tongues, prophecy, revelation, visions, healing, interpretation of tongues, and so forth.
   
8. We believe the Bible to be the word of God as far as it is translated correctly; we also believe the Book of Mormon to be the word of God.
   
9. We believe all that God has revealed, all that He does now reveal, and we believe that He will yet reveal many great and important things pertaining to the Kingdom of God.
   
10. We believe in the literal gathering of Israel and in the restoration of the Ten Tribes; that Zion (the New Jerusalem) will be built upon the American continent; that Christ will reign personally upon the earth; and, that the earth will be renewed and receive its paradisiacal glory.
    
11. We claim the privilege of worshiping Almighty God according to the dictates of our own conscience, and allow all men the same privilege, let them worship how, where, or what they may.
    
12. We believe in being subject to kings, presidents, rulers, and magistrates, in obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law.
    
13. We believe in being honest, true, chaste, benevolent, virtuous, and in doing good to all men; indeed, we may say that we follow the admonition of Paul—We believe all things, we hope all things, we have endured many things, and hope to be able to endure all things. If there is anything virtuous, lovely, or of good report or praiseworthy, we seek after these things.

Joseph Smith

 

[Sparklite]

I don’t understand. Substitute belief system if you wish.

[Elsie]

What does “teppe” mean?

Shouldn't you be asking him(?)

[greyfoxx39]

The Government has made same sex marriage legal.

So if the representatives are representing us it means the majority are excepting sodomy

I think your premise is false. The government representation damned sure does NOT mean I accept a lot of what it is cramming down my throat. Example no. 1...Obama.

[ifinnegan]

Yes. I explained that all ready.

I hadn’t seen posts by teppe when I asked that.

[Elsie]

Your 'understanding' is spot on for almost everything you just posted.

However...

Mormons in the US in the 20th and 21st century have generally been politically conservative and good citizens.

They are no better or no worse than any other groups.

What they DO have is very good PR at keeping the BAD things covered over.

[Elsie]

Merely wanted clarification.

Sometimes what I type isn't exactly what I'd been thinking.

[Elsie]

Not all the judging in the bible is the same.

Then you should be a bit more specific.

[cuban leaf]

I was talking about your comment to me. You were judging my “Christianness” based on your incorrect inference from my post.

[Elsie]

I post via pings and don’t read all the posts in thread.

What?

Just THINK of all my good stuff you've missed; merely because you were not included in the To: box!

Your mission, Jim, should you choose to accept it, is to go back and re-read the thread.
As always should any member of your IMF force be caught or killed,

[ifinnegan]

What is the breakdown on voting?

Catholics vote more Democrat. Should we condemn Catholicism for that?

I think the Mormon values can change. That is a concern.

For example, I think they will be OK with same sex marriage, for two reasons.

1) to get the gay market. If SSM is ok and legal, they can get a lot of gays to join.

2). SSM makes polygamy ok as well and a legal return could take place.

[Elsie]

I don’t understand. Substitute belief system if you wish.

 

President George Q. Cannon said:

 

 "After the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints was organized, there were only two churches upon the earth.

They were known respectively as the Church of the Lamb of God and Babylon. The various organizations which are called churches throughout Christendom,

though differing in their creeds and organizations, have one common origin. They all belong to Babylon"

 

 (Gospel Truth, p.324).

[Elsie]

You were judging my “Christianness” based on your incorrect inference from my post.

Nope; merely your 'rightly dividing' of the Word.

[Sparklite]

The unlikely nature of religious dogma isn’t what I talking about, actually, but as I said earlier, the fruit of the tree. Mormonism produces admirable adherents. Can we agree on that?

[Elsie]

I think the Mormon values can change

I KNOW they can; for they HAVE, over the years!

And yet they STILL insist that JS 'restored' Christianity.

What braggers!

[Elsie]

Can we agree on that?

No.

Utah has about 60% that claim to be Mormon; yet the Prison System is full.

[greyfoxx39]

I can't believe I actually agree with the points you make in this post!

I think the Mormon values can change. That is a concern.
For example, I think they will be OK with same sex marriage, for two reasons.
1) to get the gay market. If SSM is ok and legal, they can get a lot of gays to join. (NOTE: This is very important as a currently untapped source of tithing dollars!)
2). SSM makes polygamy ok as well and a legal return could take place.

Yep, see above on tithing dollars. Good summary!

[Sparklite]

I recall when the pressure to have black priests forced the president of the LDS (Kimball?) to undergo a revelation from God. How convenient. So, yes, they can change. I also recall, though, that the Catholic doctrine of the Assumption is a feature of modern times, a sign that change can happen in lots of places.