Posted on 11/11/2014 4:27:47 AM PST by Zakeet
Mormon leaders have acknowledged for the first time that the church’s founder and prophet, Joseph Smith, portrayed in church materials as a loyal partner to his loving spouse Emma, took as many as 40 wives, some already married and one only 14 years old.
The church’s disclosures, in a series of essays online, are part of an effort to be transparent about its history at a time when church members are increasingly encountering disturbing claims about the faith on the Internet. Many Mormons, especially those with polygamous ancestors, say they were well aware that Smith’s successor, Brigham Young, practiced polygamy when he led the flock in Salt Lake City. But they did not know the full truth about Smith.
(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...
Moses' second wife was a Kushite...and There's NOTHIN' in the OT sayin' that Moses' two wives were simultaneous. (What? Ya got somethin' against serial monogamy?)
As for Abraham...we've had this discussion before Ravenwolf...I showed it all to you then and you couldn't counter it then...as only Sarai referenced Hagar as a "wife"...and she had no authority to do so...Hagar herself didn't...the Angel of the Lord didn't...Abram didn't...Moses the author and/or editor of Genesis didn't...the apostle Paul didn't in his reference to her in Galatians 4... July 13 2013 thread
And, yes, we know Abraham took Keturah as a "wife" in Gen. 25:1 post Sarah's death...tho it is possible that Keturah may have been a "concubine" while Sarah was still alive. But we can't make accusations based upon possibles, can we?
As for Jacob, his polygamy was ushered in by pure deception. Since when is deception to be honored as some cultural redefinition of marriage, which God defined in Genesis 2 and Jesus reiterated in matthew 19?
Since election night?
Perhaps - but many target specific Mormons with no regard as to how their religion might be affecting that which upsets them about the person.
I was switching between Fox and MSNBC the whole night!
Glad I could give you a good belly roll, if nothing else.
You need to worry about Christians being persecuted in America, the Mormons and Muslims will be safe from the left for some time.
And since we're all in a jocular mood, how 'bout another?
Avram went into Church, took out his tallis, yarmulke, and proceeded to pray. The clergyman entered to start services: "Will all non-Christians please leave." Avram continued davening.
Again the clergyman said, "Will all non-Christians please leave." And again, Avram prayed.
Finally, the distraught clergyman moved to Avram. "Will ALL JEWS please leave."
At this, Avram removed his yarmulke, packed up his tallis, then went to the altar, picked up the statue of Jesus and said, "Come bubbela they don't want us here anymore."
I think it's despicable how Christians are being treated by the Left, but that's all the more reason for everyone to stand up for religions freedom.
Anyways, I'm all outta jokes for one day. ;-)
How did you get onto religious freedom regarding Mormons?
The only efforts that I see in America to limit religious freedom is from anti-Christian bigots, we have daily examples of that in the news and on these threads, so why are you bringing it up in regards to Mormons?
I find your posts hostile and evasive at the same time.
As for Abraham...we’ve had this discussion before Ravenwolf...I showed it all to you then and you couldn’t counter it then...as only Sarai referenced Hagar as a “wife”...and she had no authority to do so...Hagar herself didn’t...the Angel of the Lord didn’t...Abram didn’t...Moses the author and/or editor of Genesis didn’t...the apostle Paul didn’t in his reference to her in Galatians 4... July 13 2013 thread
Meaning the scripture not being there proves to you there was no authority, it does not prove that to me.
I am just interested in what the Bible says took place, if you do not approve of Abraham or Jacob having more than one wife that is not my problem.
(What? Ya got somethin’ against serial monogamy?) >>>>>>
No, I have nothing against monogamy, you can own one at a lot less cost than two.
Have you got something against just accepting what the Bible says with out trying to rule something out just because it does not meet with your approval?
“Come bubbela they don’t want us here anymore.”
The Bible says even more directly that God had Hosea marry Gomer, a flesh trafficker (namely her own flesh). And Gomer cont'd such a "cottage industry" postmarriage.
By analogy, you would then have us believe that just because God directed Hosea to marry a prostitute who remained one postmarriage that if some sect rose up directing its members to marry active (continuing) prostitutes that, "Hey since the Bible sanctions it...it's AOK?" Really?
The Bible talks about rape in Genesis; David sleeping with Bathsheba; so...due to these precedents does that mean we are to "go thou & do likewise?"
Ravenwolf...you're startin' to provide some humor for the rest of us :)
UNITED ARAB EMIRATES, DUBAI (The Global Edition) — All of Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Zayed Khalifa’s forty wives got their period at the exact same time, various Arab media are reporting. In what is being described as one of the most unfortunate events in recent UAE history, the PMS calendars of the Sheik’s wives became synchronized and created a terrible headache for everyone involved.
I agree!
Ravenwolf...you’re startin’ to provide some humor for the rest of us :)
And yes I do see some humor in it but accusing me of doing it is not going to fool any one.
The Mormon Founder, Benny Hill......... er um... I mean Joseph Smith.....
(Hey, with all the rivalries that arose with Jacob's household, I'm sure most of the time Jacob didn't "approve" of his 2-wife, 2-sleeping-with-servants arrangement)
Which, btw, strikes me (for the first time): I've had NUMEROUS convos with Mormons on FR thru the years...and some non-Mormons...re Jacob's household arrangements.
The tenor has been (if I was to generic-ize these convos...) that since God worked thru Jacob to establish the tribes of Israel...and since they can't imagine God would sanction that unless He in some way approved of polygamy...that it was somehow God-ordained...and by some extrapolation...so was Mormon polygamy.
So...what now strikes me is that IF polygamy is so...
..."Biblical"...
..."God-ordained" (by implication -- not by any divine mandate in Scripture)...
...and that we can base polygamy as an "institution" upon the foundation of Jacob...
...then, hey...why stop at polygamy based upon Genesis 29?
...I mean, by this logic...
...since Biblical female servants were closer to slaves than mere "household help" {IoW, they had no real rights -- such as the ability to say "no" if their mistress (mistress as in a female "master") told them to sleep with the head of the household}...
...then, hey, you're basically also conveying that the Bilhah and Zilpah accounts in Genesis 30 made it "Biblical" for 19th and 18th-century white American slaveowners to sleep with their black slaves...is that what you're sayin'?
Slaves have no rights as to who they sleep with. God "worked with" Jacob's slave-sleeping arrangements...wallah! (from French viola). The institution of slave bedroom arrangements is now allegedly confirmed by you citing the Bible that it happened!
The institution of slave bedroom arrangements is now allegedly confirmed by you citing the Bible that it happened!
Interesting comment.
Dang!
I'll have to update.......
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