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The Heavenly Elements of the Liturgy
Archdiocese of Washington ^ | 11-09-14 | Msgr. Charles Pope

Posted on 11/10/2014 7:20:24 AM PST by Salvation

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To: Salvation
"May the Holy Spirit enlighten you as to the Church that Christ founded on the Apostles, the first Bishops."

May the Holy Spirit deliver you from the depths of your error and allow you to swim the Tiber backwards and escape Rome's chains...please, come into the light of Jesus, alone. II Tim 2:26

41 posted on 11/10/2014 9:06:33 AM PST by Dutchboy88
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To: Dutchboy88

I feel no reason to let you know. You are actually in no position to know what I know. I prefer not to use scripture to beat people over the head. I don’t feel the need to state my qualifications to you.


42 posted on 11/10/2014 9:08:58 AM PST by defconw (Both parties have clearly lost their minds!)
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To: tioga
That would be an excellent idea. It really is so well written. He packed a lot of information into that book, without going all Thomas Aquinas on everyone.

I love Thomas, but he is not an easy read.

43 posted on 11/10/2014 9:13:56 AM PST by defconw (Both parties have clearly lost their minds!)
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To: defconw; Dutchboy88
I feel no reason to let you know. You are actually in no position to know what I know...I don’t feel the need to state my qualifications to you.


44 posted on 11/10/2014 9:40:01 AM PST by Alex Murphy ("the defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades")
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To: Dutchboy88
My version comes from the Church/the Bible -- not my personal interpretation.

1 Chronicles, chapter 26

 



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CHAPTER 26

Divisions of Gatekeepers.

1a As for the divisions of gatekeepers: Of the Korahites was Meshelemiah, the son of Kore, one of the sons of Abiasaph. 2Meshelemiah’s sons: Zechariah, the firstborn, Jediael, the second son, Zebadiah, the third, Jathniel, the fourth, 3Elam, the fifth, Jehohanan, the sixth, Eliehoenai, the seventh. 4Obed-edom’s sons: Shemaiah, the firstborn, Jehozabad, a second son, Joah, the third, Sachar, the fourth, Nethanel, the fifth, 5Ammiel, the sixth, Issachar, the seventh, Peullethai, the eighth, for God blessed him. 6To his son Shemaiah were born sons who ruled over their family, for they were warriors. 7The sons of Shemaiah were Othni, Rephael, Obed, and Elzabad; also his kinsmen who were men of substance, Elihu and Semachiah. 8All these were the sons of Obed-edom, who, together with their sons and their kinsmen, were men of substance, fit for the service. Of Obed-edom, sixty-two. 9Of Meshelemiah, eighteen sons and kinsmen, men of substance.

10Hosah, a descendant of Merari, had these sons: Shimri, the chief (for though he was not the firstborn, his father made him chief),b 11Hilkiah, the second son, Tebaliah, the third, Zechariah, the fourth. All the sons and kinsmen of Hosah were thirteen.

12To these divisions of the gatekeepers, by their chief men, were assigned watches for them to minister in the house of the LORD, for each group in the same way. 13They cast lots for each gate, small and large families alike. 14When the lot was cast for the east side, it fell to Meshelemiah. Then they cast lots for his son Zechariah, a prudent counselor, and the north side fell to his lot.c 15To Obed-edom fell the south side, and to his sons the storehouse. 16To Hosah fell the west side with the Shallecheth gate at the ascending highway. For each family, watches were established. 17On the east, six watched each day, on the north, four each day, on the south, four each day, and at the storehouse they were two and two; 18as for the large building* on the west, there were four at the highway and two at the large building. 19These were the classes of the gatekeepers, sons of Korah and Merari.

Treasurers.

20Their brother Levites had oversight of the treasuries of the house of God and the treasuries of votive offerings.d 21Among the sons of Ladan the Gershonite, the family heads were sons of Jehiel:e 22f the sons of Jehiel, Zetham and his brother Joel, who oversaw the treasures of the house of the LORD. 23Of the Amramites, Izharites, Hebronites, and Uzzielites, 24Shubael, son of Gershom, son of Moses, was principal overseer of the treasures. 25g His associate was of the line of Eliezer, whose son was Rehabiah, whose son was Jeshaiah, whose son was Joram, whose son was Zichri, whose son was Shelomith. 26This Shelomith and his kinsmen oversaw all the treasures of the votive offerings dedicated by King David, the heads of the families, the commanders of thousands and of hundreds, and the commanders of the army;h 27what came from wars and from spoils, they dedicated for the support of the house of the LORD. 28Also, whatever Samuel the seer, Saul, son of Kish, Abner, son of Ner, Joab, son of Zeruiah, and all others had consecrated, was under the charge of Shelomith and his kinsmen.

Magistrates.

29Among the Izharites, Chenaniah and his sons were in charge of Israel’s civil affairs* as officials and judges.i 30Among the Hebronites, Hashabiahj and his kinsmen, one thousand seven hundred men of substance, had the administration of Israel on the western side of the Jordan for all the work of the LORD and the service of the king. 31Among the Hebronites, Jerijah was their chief according to their family records. In the fortieth year of David’s reign search was made, and there were found among them warriors at Jazer of Gilead.k 32His kinsmen were also men of substance, two thousand seven hundred heads of families. King David appointed them to the administration of the Reubenites, the Gadites, and the half-tribe of Manasseh for everything pertaining to God and to the king.

 

 

* [26:18] The large building: parbar, mentioned also in 2 Kgs 23:11; the meaning of the word is unclear.


45 posted on 11/10/2014 9:45:21 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Alex Murphy

With this level of wit I am surprised that MSNBC has not snatched you up.


46 posted on 11/10/2014 9:47:28 AM PST by defconw (Both parties have clearly lost their minds!)
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To: Salvation
"1 Chronicles, chapter 26"

Okay, my FRiend, that was a joke...

47 posted on 11/10/2014 9:49:59 AM PST by Dutchboy88
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To: Dutchboy88

http://biblehub.com/1_chronicles/26-18.htm

A suburb


48 posted on 11/10/2014 9:50:50 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Alex Murphy

Feelings...Playing it now...goose frahbah.


49 posted on 11/10/2014 9:51:52 AM PST by Dutchboy88
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To: Dutchboy88

“their false doctrines to the scrutiny of the text”.

You mean the text that Catholics wrote, the Catholic Church compiled, and the Catholic Church canonized? There are 27 books in the NT because the Catholic Church, guided by the Holy Spirit, determined they would be there. If you accept the 27 books in the New Testament you agree with the authority of the Catholic Church. Have a nice day.


50 posted on 11/10/2014 11:20:33 AM PST by NKP_Vet ("PRO FIDE, PRO UTILITATE HOMINUM")
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To: NKP_Vet; Dutchboy88
You mean the text that Catholics wrote, the Catholic Church compiled, and the Catholic Church canonized?

You mean the ones I mentioned in post #11?

51 posted on 11/10/2014 11:42:40 AM PST by Alex Murphy ("the defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades")
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To: Alex Murphy

Let me put it this way. Matthew, Mark, Luke and John were followers of Christ, the first Christians, i.e. Catholics. There were no baptists, no pentacostals, no mormans, no lutherans, just Catholics. Your ancestors, if they were Christian, were Catholic before the reformation. Deal with it, it’s fact and nothing you or any Catholic hater can change.


52 posted on 11/10/2014 12:26:22 PM PST by NKP_Vet ("PRO FIDE, PRO UTILITATE HOMINUM")
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To: NKP_Vet; Alex Murphy
"You mean the text that Catholics wrote, the Catholic Church compiled, and the Catholic Church canonized?"

No, actually I am referring to the Bible. The one the Jews (beginning with Moses and the Torah) wrote. There was only one Gentile author, Luke penning Luke & Acts, and he clearly was no Roman Catholic. Certainly, Paul was no Roman Catholic, nor was Peter (in spite of your cult's bizarre claims).

But, I am certain that the RCC has authored tons of spurious texts promulgating every sort of demonic doctrine, such as the seven sacraments, the existence of purgatory, sacerdotalism, Mariolatry, the papacy and all those "heavenly" liturgical props needed by folks who cannot understand Eph. 2:1-10. Perhaps God will drop the scales from their eyes...perhaps not.

53 posted on 11/10/2014 12:28:17 PM PST by Dutchboy88
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To: Dutchboy88
Your answers belie an ignorance of the Scripture. When you have read the entire story, let me know...we'll talk further. And, I am having several great days, thanks. Do you think that Scripture was written in English? I'm curious how do you feel competent to make any interpretations basing on translation?
54 posted on 11/10/2014 12:36:58 PM PST by Lukasz
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To: Lukasz
"Do you think that Scripture was written in English? I'm curious how do you feel competent to make any interpretations basing on translation?"

These two questions represent about 15 real questions. The first is easy...no. I don't think that the Scriptures were written in English. The books of the so-called OT were written originally in Hebrew, by Jews. In 1400BC, Moses clearly was not an English-speaking writer. Those of the so-called NT, were written by Jews in Koine' Greek, with some passages in Aramaic, the street language of Israel during the time of Jesus. As I mentioned, one Gentile penned Luke and Acts.

The second question, however, represents many embedded questions. Perhaps the first of those is where did the English versions of the texts come from? And, that, my FRiend, is a very involved discussion. It is one that I would be willing to engage in, but would likely take 3 months of our time. Would you really like to know this, or was that simply a shorthand means of saying, "I don't think your interpretations are reliable."?.

55 posted on 11/10/2014 1:55:44 PM PST by Dutchboy88
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To: Salvation
All these had quotes from the Bible. Why do you have a problem with that?

Because that's all they are...Quotes from the middle of sentences, Quotes that have ignored the context...And then your religion built its false religion out of those quotes ignoring the scriptures as a whole...Your religion is the anti-church...

56 posted on 11/10/2014 4:09:49 PM PST by Iscool
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To: Dutchboy88

Oh, dear.

Prayers up for you.


57 posted on 11/10/2014 4:10:55 PM PST by Bigg Red (Too many productive Americans are POWs in the War on Poverty.)
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To: Salvation; Dutchboy88
So are you saying that you do not believe in the Book of Revelation?

Not your perversion of it...

58 posted on 11/10/2014 4:11:32 PM PST by Iscool
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To: Iscool

I am not misinterpreting the Book of Revelation.

Why are you saying this?


59 posted on 11/10/2014 4:13:07 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: NKP_Vet
Let me put it this way. Matthew, Mark, Luke and John were followers of Christ, the first Christians, i.e. Catholics. There were no baptists, no pentacostals, no mormans, no lutherans, just Catholics. Your ancestors, if they were Christian, were Catholic before the reformation. Deal with it, it’s fact and nothing you or any Catholic hater can change.

Huh??? Yah, right...

Mat_11:11 Verily I say unto you, Among them that are born of women there hath not risen a greater than John the Baptist: notwithstanding he that is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he.

You mind showing us where the Holy Father His Eminence Peter the pope sat on his throne??? You couldn't find a Catholic in the scriptures with the Hubble Telescope...

60 posted on 11/10/2014 4:22:46 PM PST by Iscool
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