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To: af_vet_1981
This is really interesting to dig into in the scriptures; how do you fit that view of James in with what the Bible says in Romans and Ephesians? Romans 5 refers to salvation as a free gift 3 times in 4 verses. What does not have to work for a free gift. How could the Bible say salvation is a free gift and also say we must work for it. If we must work then it isn't free.

Romans 5:15-18 "But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many. And not as it was by one that sinned, so is the gift: for the judgment was by one to condemnation, but the free gift is of many offences unto justification. For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.) Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life."

Ephesians 2:8-10 "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast. For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them."

We should walk in them, we are saved and called to do good works, but they are not what secure our salvation.

Another verse for consideration would be John 6:28-29 “Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God? Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.”

I think this verse may be the key to making sense of what some might say are contradictory ideas. I don't think they are contradictory, but two views of the same thing.

Romans 4:3-5 "For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God. For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness. Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt. But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness."

James 2:21-23 "Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar? Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect? And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God."

215 posted on 11/12/2014 10:32:15 AM PST by Idaho_Cowboy (Ride for the Brand. Joshua 24:15)
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To: Idaho_Cowboy
This is really interesting to dig into in the scriptures; how do you fit that view of James in with what the Bible says in Romans and Ephesians? Romans 5 refers to salvation as a free gift 3 times in 4 verses. What does not have to work for a free gift. How could the Bible say salvation is a free gift and also say we must work for it. If we must work then it isn't free.

Salvation is a free gift. One does not earn salvation, one works with faith, which ends in salvation. Be a doer of the word (works with faith), and not a hearer only (faith without works which test and prove the faith). Don't contend with Messiah or his Apostles. Receive them as a little obedient child. If you love him, keep his commandments. And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say ? Whosoever cometh to me, and heareth my sayings, and doeth them, I will shew you to whom he is like: He is like a man which built an house, and digged deep, and laid the foundation on a rock: and when the flood arose, the stream beat vehemently upon that house, and could not shake it: for it was founded upon a rock. But he that heareth, and doeth not, is like a man that without a foundation built an house upon the earth; against which the stream did beat vehemently, and immediately it fell; and the ruin of that house was great.


That the trial of your faith, being much more precious than of gold that perisheth, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honour and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ: Whom having not seen, ye love; in whom, though now ye see him not, yet believing, ye rejoice with joy unspeakable and full of glory: Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls.


Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.

As an example, it does not mean making pictures and jokes to insult blessed Mary, the mother of God with us, nor those who love and honor both her and the Jewish brethren our LORD commissioned.

220 posted on 11/12/2014 12:58:46 PM PST by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began.)
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