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My Plea “I’m a Divorced and Remarried Mother. Please, Don’t Change Church Practice.”
First Things ^ | November 3, 2014 | Luma Simms

Posted on 11/04/2014 10:45:38 AM PST by sitetest

The day my soul became Catholic was the day I found out that as a divorced and remarried woman I could not receive Communion. Tears of sorrow and joy flowed. Sorrow because I had by then grasped the truth of transubstantiation, only to find I couldn’t consume, and joy because at last we found the ground of real authority—his Church, the one he founded, the one tasked to keep all he taught her Apostles.

I came to Catholicism from Calvinism. That’s a tough row to hoe if there ever was one. It was that prescient and beautiful encyclical Humanae Vitae which softened my heart to the Catholic Church. After that, I couldn’t get enough. I wanted to hear what the Church believed in her own words. And so I kept reading—Theology of the Body, Familiaris Consortio, Mulieris Dignitatem, and Church documents significant to those of us coming from the Reformed tradition.

Because I had been divorced, and because another family member recently left his marriage after forty-three years, our children had many doubts and questions about marriage. One day around the dinner table one of the kids voiced their anxiety, stating in our presence that “you never know” if both mom and dad will be there for you as you grow up.

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TOPICS: Catholic; Moral Issues; Religion & Culture; Theology
KEYWORDS: divorce; doctrine; marriage; remarriage
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To: sitetest

Good explanation. Thanks.


41 posted on 11/04/2014 11:58:36 AM PST by Larry Lucido
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To: Larry Lucido; steve86
Dear Larry Lucido,

I responded to your concern in post 25.

Thanks.


sitetest

42 posted on 11/04/2014 11:59:25 AM PST by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: Dutchboy88
""I came to Catholicism from Calvinism." And, obviously understood neither. But, even that is God's management. We are more than happy to hand her over to you folks...keeps her off the streets.

It seems to me such an ugly, ungodly, carnal comment might come from a religious Calvinist, but not from a genuine Christian walking in the Spirit.

43 posted on 11/04/2014 12:00:29 PM PST by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began.)
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To: cuban leaf
Ask them if Mary ever had sex with Joseph. And ask them if Mary ever sinned.

she did neither...she took a personal vow of virginity early in life.....and she had no need to sin an d was protected from doing so....pretty easy job for her kid!

44 posted on 11/04/2014 12:00:38 PM PST by terycarl (common sense prevails over all)
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To: Larry Lucido

Cross-post, LOL.


45 posted on 11/04/2014 12:01:10 PM PST by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: sitetest

Maybe I’ll learn to read the entire thread before posting. :-)


46 posted on 11/04/2014 12:04:21 PM PST by Larry Lucido
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To: Larry Lucido

Why start now? It’s not the FR way! LOL.


47 posted on 11/04/2014 12:05:15 PM PST by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: cuban leaf
The funny thing about Communion is that Jesus’ instructions were pretty clear and simple. My wife and I partake at home. It’s a very simple kinetic symbol of the foundational support of all of Christianity

WOW, protestants have it easy...I have to get my butt out of bed and actually drive a few miles to church to attend Mass and receive the Body and Blood of Jesus as He told us to do.....Who knew that I could do it myself in my own kitchen....thanks for the deep religious insight!!!

48 posted on 11/04/2014 12:05:53 PM PST by terycarl (common sense prevails over all)
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To: gdani
My divorced parents overcame this by making a "donation" to their church before marrying each other.

nonsense

49 posted on 11/04/2014 12:07:50 PM PST by terycarl (common sense prevails over all)
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To: terycarl

she did neither...she took a personal vow of virginity early in life.....and she had no need to sin an d was protected from doing so....pretty easy job for her kid!


Good one! ;-)


50 posted on 11/04/2014 12:08:25 PM PST by cuban leaf (The US will not survive the obama presidency. The world may not either.)
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To: sitetest
Do convicted murderers on Death Row have a right to receive Communion?

Does anyone see anything wrong with that?

51 posted on 11/04/2014 12:08:35 PM PST by ZOOKER (Until further notice the /s is implied...)
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To: terycarl

WOW, protestants have it easy...I have to get my butt out of bed and actually drive a few miles to church to attend Mass and receive the Body and Blood of Jesus as He told us to do.....Who knew that I could do it myself in my own kitchen....thanks for the deep religious insight!!!


I don’t know about protestants, but I have it pretty easy, thanks be to Jesus. And I follow his instructions, which say nothing of going to a church building to do it. I do partake in church, but as He said, “as often as you do this, do it in remembrance of me.

We do it more often at home than our church does it.


52 posted on 11/04/2014 12:10:45 PM PST by cuban leaf (The US will not survive the obama presidency. The world may not either.)
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To: Responsibility2nd
Let me know if she ever gets to Christianity.

she has achieved the ultimate in Christianity...the ONLY true and complete christian church in existance...Catholicism.

53 posted on 11/04/2014 12:13:26 PM PST by terycarl (common sense prevails over all)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

” So the way to be allowed to partake again ...”

I guess that might seem a possibility, but I’m guessing the “contrition” part might be a bit superficial, and the absolution wouldn’t really “take”.


54 posted on 11/04/2014 12:16:08 PM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: gdani
When I was young & learned of the prohibition on divorced people receiving communion, I asked how they managed to get around it. I was told, in a "wink/nod" manner, they made a donation to the church.

they winked and nodded and received the Eucharist invalidly and sinfully....

55 posted on 11/04/2014 12:16:41 PM PST by terycarl (common sense prevails over all)
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To: JudyinCanada

Does his new “wife” get a family discount on pickles?


56 posted on 11/04/2014 12:18:45 PM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: ZOOKER
Dear ZOOKER,

A repentant murderer on death row would be given Communion. An unrepentant murderer probably wouldn't even seek Communion, and it would be wrong to give it to him should he ask.

Conversely, the remarried divorce[e] is not repentant (save in the case where the two have agreed to live without marital relations). Let's be clear: it is not the divorce that was necessarily the sin. It was the attempted remarriage that was the sin, and the sin is renewed each time the remarried person has sex with his or her new “spouse.” It is adultery.

Thus, there is no question of forgiveness. Forgiveness is always available, but it really and truly helps if one acknowledges one’s guilt, and makes some purpose to try to amend one’s life. You know, something about, “Go and sin no more.”

It is nonsense to say that the remarried couple have repented of the sin of the on-going adultery if they don't even acknowledge that it is a continuing sin for them to engage in marital relations.

"Go[ing] and sin[ning] no more" would include separating from the second "marriage."

For those who find themselves remarried, if changing their marital status would cause harm to subsequent children, the couple must do their best to renounce engaging in “marital” relations, and live with each other in continence, as brother and sister. Then, they may freely receive Communion.


sitetest

57 posted on 11/04/2014 12:20:58 PM PST by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: vpintheak
I don’t understand how partaking in communion can be withheld for divorce, but actively supporting homosexuality and abortion is A-OK! Hypocritical to the max and 100% un-Christ-like

it is not withheld for divorce, it is for divorce AND REMARRIAGE. Homosexuality if fine as long as you do not actively live a homosexual lifestyle...abortion is never O.K. except to save the life of the mother.

58 posted on 11/04/2014 12:22:02 PM PST by terycarl (common sense prevails over all)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

....LOL....send me a bill...... :)


59 posted on 11/04/2014 12:22:12 PM PST by C. Edmund Wright (www.FireKarlRove.com NOW)
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To: sitetest

roll eyes..........how absurd.


60 posted on 11/04/2014 12:23:44 PM PST by C. Edmund Wright (www.FireKarlRove.com NOW)
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