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To: BlackElk
>> Would it not be magnificent to witness another conclave in short order and to see Raymond Cardinal Burke step out onto the balcony, announce that he is taking the papal name Pius XIII or Leo XIV and order Walter Cardinal Kaspar <<

The most magnificent part would be if he then issued his first papal decree to change the way the title Cardinal is used so they stop treating it like its a middle name. From that point on, he'll be ordering Cardinal Walter Kaspar, NOT "Walter Cardinal Kaspar".

20 posted on 11/02/2014 9:36:22 PM PST by BillyBoy (Thanks to RINOs, Illinois has definitely become a "red state" -- we are run by Communists!)
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To: BillyBoy
The use of Cardinal as though it were a middle name is, I believe, a medievalism of which Catholic Traditionalists are proud. In England, for example, the eldest son of Edward III died of illness in 1366 one year before his father and became the first Prince of Wales NOT to succeed to the throne. His given name was Edward. He is known variously as Edward of Woodstock, the Black Prince, Edward, Prince of Wales and many other names. Today, he might have been known as Edward Plantagenet.

It is very remotely possible that two men with the surname Burke might simultaneously serve as Cardinals of the Roman Catholic Church. In the 1950s, two brothers named Cicognani simultaneously served and were known respectively as Amleto Cardinal Cicognani and Gaetano Cardinal Cicognani. Amleto served as Secretary of State and Gaetano served as Prefect of the Apostolic Signatura (essentially chief justice of the Vatican's supreme court, the office currently held by Raymond Cardinal Burke). Those were and are two of the most important offices in the Vatican.

Personally, of course, I would prefer that after due, ummm inquiry, Pope Leo XIV might order Walter Cardinal Kasper and a number of similar miscreants, burned at the stake. Alas, as Cicero might observe: O Tempora, O Mores! We no longer exact the full measure of justice even at the Vatican.

25 posted on 11/03/2014 2:50:42 PM PST by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club: Rack 'em Danno!)
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