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To: CynicalBear
And not one of the offerings designated by God were to be offered for dead people.

Odd; the Jews appear not to have heeded your rule in 2 Maccabees 12 and I find no scripture upbraiding them. In fact, we see in Isaiah 53 as well as 2 Corinthians 5 that Messiah became the sin offering for the living and the dead. Yet it pleased the Lord to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the Lord shall prosper in his hand.

For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison; Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water. The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ: Who is gone into heaven, and is on the right hand of God; angels and authorities and powers being made subject unto him.

If you don't believe, or it offends your conscience, that you can pray to God through the LORD Jesus Christ to intercede for someone like Onesiphorous, then do not 23 And he that doubteth is damned if he eat, because he eateth not of faith: for whatsoever is not of faith is sin.

Only do not leave an offering of flowers or something else at a funeral if you are unwilling to pray for the departed soul; that would be incongruent.

So you don't believe that all of scripture is inspired by the Holy Spirit?

I believe All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

I think you mischaracterized the speaker in your post.

308 posted on 11/04/2014 4:05:10 PM PST by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began.)
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To: af_vet_1981; CynicalBear

>> “Odd; the Jews appear not to have heeded your rule in 2 Maccabees 12 and I find no scripture upbraiding them.” <<

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2Maccabees is not scripture, it is an historical book.
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309 posted on 11/04/2014 4:07:10 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: af_vet_1981
I fell asleep and bumped my head on my keyboard reading your post.

You probably made a lot of sense...but could you reduce you message to something a slight bit shorter.

310 posted on 11/04/2014 4:08:35 PM PST by RoosterRedux
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To: af_vet_1981
>>In fact, we see in Isaiah 53 as well as 2 Corinthians 5 that Messiah became the sin offering for the living and the dead.<<

You still didn't show where God designated sacrifices that the Jews were to give for the dead. Jesus sacrifice was NOT one of the sacrifices the Jews were commanded by God to give.

>>I think you mischaracterized the speaker in your post.<<

No I didn't. I claimed it was the Holy Spirit who was speaking through John. Your statement was "No, that is what the scripture says." Scripture IS the Holy Spirit speaking through the writers.

316 posted on 11/04/2014 5:33:36 PM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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