No, Ma'am.
We are NOT obsessed!
WE only do this for 6 days a week, 10 hours a day, for a year.
I do business with a lot of people of different faiths. Without a doubt the most honest and the most pleasant to deal with are Mormons. Catholics are the worst.
My good friend, also a business man, says when he goes to church he sits in the front row so he can turn around and see all the faces of the people he wouldn't do business with...I suspect you might be in that group.
I do business with a lot of people of different faiths. Without a doubt the most honest and the most pleasant to deal with are Mormons. Catholics are the worst. My good friend, also a business man, says when he goes to church he sits in the front row so he can turn around and see all the faces of the people he wouldn't do business with...I suspect you might be in that group. [Empty claims made by LewisLynn]
As to your claim that "Catholics are the worst ever"...see details below that blows out of the water. Secondly, I have no reason to suspect that your "friend" or any of the other Mormons you've dealt with are people of integrity.
Why do I say that? Well, most Mormons have generally been great men (& women) of business in the last century or so when dealing with NON Mormons. (And I have Mormon extended family members)
BUT...Since (a) you are now projecting a comment to cover entire people ("people...Mormons. Catholics are the worst")...and (b) key Mormons have had a recent horrific track record dealing with affinity fraud.
I guess you just weren't aware of that, were you.
Can you fill me in any other religious sect that has less than 2% of the overall population (1.7%) -- that has launched at least $1.4 billion worth of fraud schemes vs. fellow sect members in a 2-3 year period?
If you only have time to click on one article link below...read this one: JOHN L. SMITH: Thieves in the temple: How 'affinity fraud' hurts LDS church members
Source: Las Vegas Review-Journal, Sept. 12, 2010 Be sure to read the comments of FBI special agent Cameron Saxey (who is Lds)...the article mentions how the Utah jurisdictional Securities Fraud Task Force was working on 100+ cases...meaning that $1.4 billion total doesn't tell it all!
Notice, too, I didn't take in a HUGE long chronological time period when I did less than a 40-month study of such affinity fraud.
The sad individual accounts [Indeed: Pray for the victims, most Lds]:
* All in the Mormon Family Mortgage Fraud [Re: Idaho fraud]
Source: Conservative Babylon.com, June 27, 2012
* Episode Detail: The Mormon Madoff - American Greed: Scams, Scoundrels and Scandals
Source: TV Guide.com re: series American Greed: Scams, Scoundrels, and Scandals, June 20, 2012
* Former LDS bishop gets jail, probation for massive fraud
Source: Provo Herald, June 7, 2012
* LDS Bishop Pleads Guilty To Fraud
Source: Kutv.com, June 7, 2012
* Utah investors caught up in alleged $170M fraud: SEC says 2 men committed fraud as they raised $170M to build Caribbean resorts, and that 250 of the 1,700 alleged victims are from Utah
Source: Salt Lake Tribune, May 31, 2012
* Beware of affinity fraud ‘predators’ who exploit trust, LDS spokesman warns
Source: Fraud College.org, April 2, 2012
* Former LDS bishop charged with fraud, pleads not guilty
Connecticut Criminal Defense Blog, March 29, 2012
* Former Mormon Bishop In Trumbull Charged With Investor Fraud
Source: Hartford Courant, March 27, 2012
* The LDS Church Issues a Strong Position on Affinity Fraud
Source: Utah Securities Fraud.com, March 7, 2012
* Affinity Fraud Called a Destructive Crime at Conference
Source: Lds.org, Feb. 20, 2012
* Church Representative to Address Fraud College [From the official Lds Web site]
Source: Lds.org, Feb. 15, 2012
* Affinity Fraud statement
Source: Official Mormon Newsroom.org, Undated (Early 2012)
* Father, son used Mormon connections to commit $220M Ponzi scheme (Utah case)
Source: Mormon church-owned KSL.com, Dec. 16, 2011
* Former LDS bishop cons elderly man out of life savings, police say
Source: Provo Daily Herald, Oct. 19, 2011
* Tag archives @Utahsecuritiesfraud.com: LDS Church
* Provo councilman Steve Turley charged with felonies [LDS High Council Member]
Source: Provo Herald, July 27, 2011
* Feds arrest St. George business man, philanthropist for mail fraud
Source: Mormon-church owned KSL.com, June 11, 2011
* Former LDS leader charged in fraud against Ute football coach, others
Source: Salt Lake Tribune, June 8, 2011
* Suspected Mormon Con Artist Pleading Guilty to $78M Scam
Source: Streetsweeper.org, May 31, 2011
* Mormon Madoff? Source: Financial Fraud Law.com, May 27, 2011
* A Fraud Played Out on Family and Friends
Source: New York Times, May 26, 2011
* St. George investor ordered to jail [ex-Lds bishop]
Source: MidUtahRadio.com, April 15, 2011
* Using trust to steal (Utah affinity fraud)
Source: Ogden (UT) Standard Examiner, Feb. 3, 2011
* JOHN L. SMITH: Thieves in the temple: How 'affinity fraud' hurts LDS church members
Source: Las Vegas Review-Journal, Sept. 12, 2010
* Local political gadfly arrested for exploiting elderly woman
Source: Provo Daily Herald, May 4, 2010
* Preying on the faithful: Though Mormons often victims, LDS church skips fraud-prevention event
Source: Salt Lake Tribune, May 2, 2010
* Kaneohe swindler is sentenced
Source: Honolulu Star-Bulletin, April 6, 2010
* Investors with troubled firm have Mormon ties
Source: Austin American Statesman, Jan. 16, 2010
* Man Who Defrauded Fellow Church Goer Pleads Guilty
Source: www.connect2utah.com (KUTV) Jan. 7, 2010
* Lindon Man Accused of Trying to Kill Witnesses to Alleged Scam
Source: MidUtahRadio.com, Nov. 19, 2009
* KSL 5 News investigates affinity fraud
Source: KSL.com Nov. 9, 2009
* Mormon victims are caught up in $50M scam to sell gold bullion
Salt Lake Tribune, Sept. 18, 2009
* LDS Church returned $200K in Southwick Tithing
Source: AP, Sept. 14, 2009
* Merriman's church donations may be tained [Momon Ponzi schemer's tithe monies ill-gotten?]
Source: Denver Post, April 24, 2009
* Man Who Defrauded Fellow Church Goer Pleads Guilty
Source: Fox News, April 8, 2009
* Calif. Man Charged with $40 million Ponzi scheme
Source: AP, March 20, 2009
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So here's the question after you review the above? Are you going to backtrack are your "projection" claims -- at least as to how many Mormon financial people are treating fellow Mormons? Are you going to backtrack are your empty claim that "Catholics are the worst ever" (financially speaking?)
If not, your credibility is shot on this thread...and from here on in any posts I will receive from you.
First of all, since I can't recall having ever interacted with you, how long have you been psycho-analyzing complete strangers over the Internet? (We'd like to see your license and track record on that one!!!) :)
Secondly, Why was the Son of God so obsessed over mankind to become a mere man...what C.S. Lewis once described as being like a man becoming a frog to save all the frogs of the world.
Thirdly, to get back to what this thread is about -- not me, the poster...but what Mormons do in Mormon temples...here I spend a few hours spending time on something and you ignore the entire forest...the $millions of dollars & billions of hours searching the world over for records of dead people so that they necro-baptize them...
As a matter of fact, there IS no people group that's ever lived more obsessed with the dead than 21st and 20th century Mormons...rather fitting since we've been talking about Mormonism's obsession with dead these past two weeks.
So thank you for your lead-in allowing me to put an exclamation point on that!
I see that you still have a copy of the memo...
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Office of First President & Living Prophet®: December 11st, 2011
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No, Ma'am.
We are NOT obsessed!
WE only do this for 6 days a week, 10 hours a day, for a year.
Them damned publicans are Everywhere these days!
Luke 18:9-14