Posted on 10/25/2014 12:57:30 PM PDT by Dr. Thorne
PITTSBURGH Eighty-eight former students who were sexually molested by a Franciscan friar who worked as an athletic trainer at a Catholic high school have settled their legal claims for $8 million, according to two attorneys who represent more than half the victims.
(Excerpt) Read more at theledger.com ...
Wait, what?
I thought I was just told that one did not have to be Catholic to be saved.
in that particular post, you didn't but in NUMEROUS other posts in the past you have certainly indicated such.
tc: that's because they aren't and their leadership isn't.
And non-Catholics are honest enough to admit that.
Chapter and verse?
Where did Jesus tell us to become Catholic to be saved?
Your post makes absolute ZERO sense.
I’m saved through faith in Jesus and don’t need any man to tell me that.
Fine.
Go back through his posting history and show us the places where he's done that.
Post the links for all to see.
I would like to see the open religion forums closed. It disgraces Free Republic. There is nothing in them about faith or God or anything important. All I see is Catholic bashing. These people don’t seem to have anything to offer that would be pleasing to God. Nothing. Why would anyone want to be a Christian after reading one of these threads? It scandalizes believers. It’s a disgrace.
Then you need to pay more attention to the titles of the articles posted in the RF by the Catholics who post Protestant bashing threads.
That’s not the point. You ignore the point. You ignore.
Ah yes!! Is that the same as "I read it somewhere"?
Funny how many posts with the “I read it somewhere” we have seen.
So What Catholic bashing is going on?
Is pointing out where the Catholic church deviates from Scriptural teaching *Catholic bashing*?
No...That's a Catholic myth...
Now isn't that pretty ignorant??? You write a book for people to read but then you have to interpret to them what it means since they can't understand what you wrote??? Do you guys ever think about the things you are inclined to repeat from your religion???
Details, details.....
Do you guys ever think about the things you are inclined to repeat from your religion???
Clearly not and this is certainly far from the first time it has been demonstrated.......
....The 1922 and 1962 Vatican instructions on dealing with allegations of clerical child sex abuse demanded absolute secrecy in the conduct of investigations. The secrecy was so pervasive that, to some, it seemed to demand that the complaint also be kept secret from the state authorities. Canon 1341 states that the bishop is to ‘‘start a judicial administrative procedure, for the imposition or the declaration of penalties, only when he perceives that neither by fraternal correction nor reproof, nor by any methods of pastoral care, can the scandal be sufficiently repaired, justice restored, and the offender reformed’’.To reverse the language, if the bishop perceives that the scandal can be "sufficiently repaired, justice restored, and the offender reformed" by "fraternal correction, reproof, or methods of pastoral care", then the bishop is prevented by canonical obligation to start a "judicial administrative procedure".
Now that you've read that, add this to it:
For all his commentary on the crisis, Father Groeschel has revealed few details about his role as a player in it: He has been a key figure for 30 years in the loose-knit nationwide network of therapists who have helped troubled priests keep working. The Franciscan friar's base is a mansion on Long Island Sound, where he runs the Archdiocese of New York's spiritual development office and Trinity Retreat Center for clergy. There, according to his own written account, he has counseled hundreds of his brethren and "happily, 85 priests have returned to the active ministry"....Why bring that up? Because Groeschel was offering the bishops a "method of pastoral care" that advertised success, and thus they had no reason to begin a "judicial administrative procedure" against the offending priests. They were reformed! Justice had been restored, without bringing the judicial system into play!
-- from the thread Priest (Fr. Benedict Groeschel) plays down abuse crisis; helps clergy keep jobs
For another example of "pastoral care" interfering with the judicial system, take the case of the infamous the "naked jogging priest", Father Whipkey of Frederick, Colorado. He was arrested, booked, released on bail to the archdiocese, and then he disappeared for four months - delaying the start of his jury trial - because the archdiocese forgot to inform the courts ahead of time that they had sent him out-of-state for "treatment". "Pastoral care" supersedes the courts.
You didn't get that perverted idea from any Protestant...
You will never get it unless and until you are born again...
Php 2:13 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.
Heb 13:21 Make you perfect in every good work to do his will, working in you that which is wellpleasing in his sight, through Jesus Christ; to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.
Rom 12:2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.
We don't have to decide to change anything at all...God thru Jesus Christ puts the will in our hearts to please him...It's automatic when you become born again...
Rom_4:8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.
Do you have any clue at all what this means???
and He does so through the Catholic church.....period.
That is so anti-bible...anti-God...
No one goes thru any church for salvation...Salvation comes first, and then we are added to the church...Period...
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You want to talk about evil, this guy is a non-Catholic just like yourself, CynicalBear.
(He is evil personified.)
Do you want us to declare that all non-Catholics like yourself are exactly the same as this fellow non-Catholic in this picture, simply because you are all non-Catholics?
(By the way, there are plenty more evil non-Catholics where that guy came from.)
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