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To: Springfield Reformer
"It is future, anticipating some act of forbidding or permitting (binding/loosing). But as the act occurs in the future, the perfect indicates that the binding or loosing was already accomplished in the past, previous to the future act. The passive simply indicates the thing being bound or loosed is the passive recipient of the action."

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If that is accurate and true, that sounds even more like Jesus was guaranteeing Peter infallibility in all his "binding", if every thing Peter was to bind on earth had already been bound by God.

(Of course, that is also reminiscent of the following text, which reaffirms that God is God.)

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"...your Father knows what you need before you ask him."    Matthew 6:8

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(In spite of that, Jesus still instructs us to "Ask...")
967 posted on 10/11/2014 11:15:59 PM PDT by Heart-Rest ("Our hearts are restless, Lord, until they rest in Thee." - St. Augustine)
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To: Heart-Rest; CynicalBear
Of course, that is also reminiscent of the following text, which reaffirms that God is God

And that is the tack that I believe CB is taking, that the initiative is with God, i.e., God is not passively waiting for apostolic permission or prohibition, but has already set those limits, and would act through the apostles to express those limits to His people.  Which in fact He has done, and the record of that expression is Scripture, which is why Scripture must be the first firewall in preventing error from entering the ecclesia, in terms of spurious "binding" and "loosing" introduced by unauthorized sources.  

BTW, I notice you focus your claim of infallibility on Peter.  But why? Because two chapters later, Jesus says this same power of permitting and forbidding is for all the apostles:
Mat 18:18  Verily I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever ye shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
This, BTW, highlights one of the reasons to keep liking the KJV after all these years.  It captures the plural pronouns, like "ye", which modern English doesn't even have, unless you count, "all y'all."  So I don't usually have to peek back at the Greek to know if the group is being addressed or just one individual.

And in case you're wondering, yes, the future perfect is used here as well, so it has the same force for all the apostles, without distinction among them.  Thus, based on "binding" and "loosing," one cannot establish a unique Petrine office, let alone a perpetuation of that office, as the gift that supposedly defines it is given to all the apostles.

Peace,

SR



970 posted on 10/11/2014 11:54:23 PM PDT by Springfield Reformer (Winston Churchill: No Peace Till Victory!)
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To: Heart-Rest
"...your Father knows what you need before you ask him." Matthew 6:8

But it REALLY helps if MARY knows, too!

994 posted on 10/12/2014 4:49:42 AM PDT by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Heart-Rest; Springfield Reformer
If that is accurate and true, that sounds even more like Jesus was guaranteeing Peter infallibility in all his "binding", if every thing Peter was to bind on earth had already been bound by God.

To add to SR's analysis, a broader context might also be applied: This same malformation of authority and infallibility was present in Temple Judaism and among the Pharisees, who, if Yeshua is Messiah, were found to be stone-dead-wrong... Not only were they without authority (as Yeshua demonstrated), but they, by that very fact alone (with many other examples noted) were found to be notably fallible.

To assume today what was proven untrue then is a grievous mistake.

1,060 posted on 10/12/2014 10:48:54 AM PDT by roamer_1 (Globalism is just socialism in a business suit.)
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