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To: Resettozero
Dang, LadyDoc; I bet your Christian expository liabilty insurance is sky-high!

Ha.

Having a belief in God doesn't mean putting my brain on the shelf.

And having a secular explanation for Paul's vision is not a problem, because God works via ordinary things. I have seen miracles, but I have also seen "coincidences" or improbable cures or episodes that changed people's lives but that could be explained scientifically or by chance, but just because there could be a scientific explanation doesn't mean it isn't God orchestrating the episode.

So Paul may or may not have hallucinated from heat stroke (or gotten a temporal lobe seizure from dehydration and hyponatremia), but God arranged the medical problem so that he could direct the vision to change Paul's life.

A modern example of this would be George Forman's vision of Jesus (after a prize fight, where it might have been from electrolyte depletion like Paul or maybe from a slight concussion) but the fact is that this vision of Jesus changed his life for the better also.

And John Paul II's visions when he was semicomatose after the assassination attempt probably led to his actions that helped cause the peaceful fall of communism.

2,342 posted on 10/18/2014 6:16:57 PM PDT by LadyDoc (liberals only love politically correct poor people)
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To: LadyDoc
I have seen miracles, but I have also seen "coincidences" or improbable cures or episodes that changed people's lives but that could be explained scientifically or by chance...

And who has been arguing against this point? Why would you also try to divert the main subject of this thread to sciencism?
2,344 posted on 10/18/2014 6:20:37 PM PDT by Resettozero
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To: LadyDoc
Having a belief in God doesn't mean putting my brain on the shelf.

That God exists is manifest in many ways including nature. The question that naturally follows is, since you sort of professed there is a God, Who is Jesus of Nazareth?

Your intellectual assault is too great for me to withstand. So, how much weight do you attribute to the sayings of Jesus of Nazareth?
2,345 posted on 10/18/2014 6:25:56 PM PDT by Resettozero
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To: LadyDoc; Resettozero

And that effectively nullifies any supernatural and miraculous events by God.

They can all be explained away *scientifically*.

That’s no kind of god to believe in.


2,350 posted on 10/18/2014 6:54:16 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: LadyDoc
Having a belief in God doesn't mean putting my brain on the shelf.

HMMMmmm...

King Agrippa was almost convinced to become a Protestant.

(Somewhere in ACTS.)

2,401 posted on 10/19/2014 3:56:37 AM PDT by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: LadyDoc; Resettozero; CynicalBear

So Paul may or may not have hallucinated from heat stroke (or gotten a temporal lobe seizure from dehydration and hyponatremia), but God arranged the medical problem so that he could direct the vision to change Paul’s life.


Can others “hear” someonees hallucinated from heat stroke or temporal lobe seizures? The men with Saul could!

Acts 9:1-9

Meanwhile, Saul was still breathing out murderous threats against the Lord’s disciples. He went to the high priest and asked him for letters to the synagogues in Damascus, so that if he found any there who belonged to the Way, whether men or women, he might take them as prisoners to Jerusalem. As he neared Damascus on his journey, suddenly a light from heaven flashed around him. He fell to the ground and heard a voice say to him, “Saul, Saul, why do you persecute me?”

“Who are you, Lord?” Saul asked.

“I am Jesus, whom you are persecuting,” he replied. “Now get up and go into the city, and you will be told what you must do.”

The men traveling with Saul stood there speechless; they heard the sound but did not see anyone. Saul got up from the ground, but when he opened his eyes he could see nothing. So they led him by the hand into Damascus. For three days he was blind, and did not eat or drink anything.


2,448 posted on 10/19/2014 7:55:37 AM PDT by Rides_A_Red_Horse (Why do you need a fire extingu99isher when you can call the fire department?)
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