[metmom]

They have to pretend to themselves that there were Calvinists before Calvin, Lutherans before Luther (etc.), going all the way back to the time of Christ and His apostles. (In other words, to pretend that, they have to lie to themselves about it.)

That's a post of desperation if I ever saw one!!!!

Pretend that there were Calvinists before Calvin and Lutherans before Luther?????

FOTFLOL!!!!!!!

Did it EVER occur to a Catholic that the reason Calvin and Luther came to the conclusions they did was because they were SCRIPTURAL conclusions?

I wouldn't expect that because then Catholics would be forced to admit that their church is wrong and the reformers were correct and no way that's happening without the enlightenment of the Holy Spirit.

[Elsie]

Pretend that there were Calvinists before Calvin and Lutherans before Luther?????

Duh!

There were Catholics before the Only TRUE church was founded!