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To: metmom
You mean Jesus blood isn't enough to cleanse us from all sins after all?

That temporal punishment is due to sin, even after the sin itself has been pardoned by God, is clearly the teaching of Scripture. God indeed brought man out of his first disobedience and gave him power to govern all things (Wisdom 10:2), but still condemned him "to eat his bread in the sweat of his brow" until he returned unto dust. God forgave the incredulity of Moses and Aaron, but in punishment kept them from the "land of promise" (Numbers 20:12). The Lord took away the sin of David, but the life of the child was forfeited because David had made God's enemies blaspheme His Holy Name (2 Samuel 12:13-14).

In the New Testament as well as in the Old, almsgiving and fasting, and in general penitential acts are the real fruits of repentance (Matthew 3:8; Luke 17:3; 3:3). The whole penitential system of the Church testifies that the voluntary assumption of penitential works has always been part of true repentance and the Council of Trent (Sess. XIV, can. xi) reminds the faithful that God does not always remit the whole punishment due to sin together with the guilt. God requires satisfaction, and will punish sin, and this doctrine involves as its necessary consequence a belief that the sinner failing to do penance in this life may be punished in another world, and so not be cast off eternally from God. [1]

[1] Hanna, E. (1911). Purgatory. In The Catholic Encyclopedia. New York: Robert Appleton Company. Retrieved October 16, 2014 from New Advent: http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/12575a.htm

1,776 posted on 10/16/2014 2:38:10 AM PDT by JPX2011
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To: JPX2011
The whole penitential system of the Church ...

HMMMmmm...

1,806 posted on 10/16/2014 6:00:20 AM PDT by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: JPX2011
God requires satisfaction, and will punish sin, and this doctrine involves as its necessary consequence a belief that the sinner failing to do penance in this life may be punished in another world, and so not be cast off eternally from God. [1]

HMMMmmm...


 
 

 
Micah 6:8
He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the LORD require of you?
To act justly and to love mercy and to walk humbly with your God.


John 6:28-29
Then they asked him, "What must we do to do the works God requires?
 Jesus answered, "The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent."

1,807 posted on 10/16/2014 6:03:31 AM PDT by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: JPX2011; metmom
In Matthew 3:8 Jesus was talking to Pharisees who wanted babized. He called the a brood of vipers because they thought that keeping the law gave them salvation. Are Catholics Pharisees?

Penance is punishment. Repentance is "turning away from. Christ bore the punishment for our sins so that we wouldn't have to.

1 Peter 2:24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.

We have been set free from those sins.

Romans 6:18 Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.

Why don't Catholics believe what God says?

1,840 posted on 10/16/2014 7:59:26 AM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus info)
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To: JPX2011
The whole penitential system of the Church testifies that the voluntary assumption of penitential works has always been part of true repentance and the Council of Trent (Sess. XIV, can. xi) reminds the faithful that God does not always remit the whole punishment due to sin together with the guilt. God requires satisfaction, and will punish sin, and this doctrine involves as its necessary consequence a belief that the sinner failing to do penance in this life may be punished in another world, and so not be cast off eternally from God. [1]

The fruit of repentance comes from within, not without.

A priest imposing a penance on a believer in exchange for remission of sins, is wages due, not true change of heart due to repentance.

God's required satisfaction occurred at the cross and was satisfied when Jesus said, "It is FINISHED".

God does NOT demand an accounting of sin which He has forgiven and has been paid for by the death of Jesus.

2,030 posted on 10/16/2014 6:37:32 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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