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To: metmom
You DO need to check with the Bible for everything regarding salvation...

Not when I have a living, breathing Church ordained by God. It would seem that protestants don't have an appreciation for the difference between living their faith as opposed to just reading about it.

...[a]nd there you'll find that there is no scripturally ordained 'sacrament' for anything, much less confession.

20 If a man carnally lie with a woman that is a bondservant and marriageable, and yet not redeemed with a price, nor made free: they both shall be scourged: and they shall not be put to death, because she was not a free woman.

21 And for his trespass he shall offer a ram to the Lord, at the door of the tabernacle of the testimony.

22 And the priest shall pray for him: and for his sin before the Lord: and he shall have mercy on him, and the sin shall be forgiven. [1]

And should the protestant feel compelled to retort with, "Jesus the High Priest" I offer the following NT verse:

21 He said therefore to them again: Peace be to you. As the Father hath sent me, I also send you.

22 When he had said this, he breathed on them; and he said to them: Receive ye the Holy Ghost.

23 Whose sins you shall forgive, they are forgiven them: and whose sins you shall retain, they are retained. [2]

The word isn't even in the Bible to begin with, nor is there any precedent for confessing sins to a priest for absolution.

I think precedent has been established. As for the word itself, well neither is the word Trinity so that's no standard by which to ascertain scriptural warrant.

It's all a bogus power grab, claiming to have the power over people to determine their eternal destiny. What the ultimate control mechanism.

I've always found it interesting how the most conservative of protestants instantly turn into the most ardent of AFL-CIO-like acolytes with their talk of the Church and its "control" and "power grabs". I'm surprised they don't recognize this level of cognitive dissonance within themselves. Actually I think it's their love of the autonomous self-will. After all that is the mechanism by which they can proclaim the authority to interpret scripture.

[1] The Holy Bible, Translated from the Latin Vulgate. (2009). (Le 19:20–22). Bellingham, WA: Logos Bible Software.

[2] The Holy Bible, Translated from the Latin Vulgate. (2009). (Jn 20:21–23). Bellingham, WA: Logos Bible Software.

1,278 posted on 10/13/2014 1:19:03 AM PDT by JPX2011
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To: JPX2011
Not when I have a living, breathing Church ordained by God.

We have a living, breathing Constitution as well. (Or so I've heard...)

1,338 posted on 10/13/2014 6:20:54 AM PDT by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: JPX2011
Not when I have a living, breathing Church ordained by God.

Hebrews 4:12 For the word of God is living and active, sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing to the division of soul and of spirit, of joints and of marrow, and discerning the thoughts and intentions of the heart.

Read Scripture. It is living and the reason anyone doesn't think it is, is because they are spiritually dead and cannot perceive the life in it any more than a blind person can perceive light or a deaf person sound.

1,759 posted on 10/15/2014 11:26:08 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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