Why would anyone become Catholic?

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[af_vet_1981]

I am not alone in my amazement at the insistence of RCs that we must be following someone as supremely determinative of what we believe, from Luther to Osteen, and thus imagine that if they can impugn the character of such then it will somehow damage or destroy our faith.

I think "my faith" would be a more accurate rendering, unless perhaps you are jointly posting with your spouse. It seems to me that you are a Catholic by your own admission. I have found in my experience, a strong tendency amongst Catholics who have journeyed away from the Catholic Church on another path, be it Christian oriented, another faith, or no faith at all tend to be overly angry, harsh and critical toward the Catholic Church. It seems to me to be a fault and not a virtue.

It is also seems to me that nonCatholic assemblies, especially Evangelical and Fundamentalists tend to be dominated by personality and evoke an authority/submission paradigm more than the Catholic Church where the designated clergy operate more as servants despite all appearances. This may even be reflected in the salaries where Catholic clergy appear to be paid the least.

[Rides_A_Red_Horse]

I’ve got to keep trying in hopes they won’t be trampled by swine.

[CynicalBear]

That refers to leadership rather then authority.

[CynicalBear]

See 919

[af_vet_1981]

I rely on the Hebrew and Greek as found in Strong’s, Thayer’s, etc

and so have no formal training of significance in Hebrew and Greek that would justify casting away traditionally approved Protestant, Evangelical, and Fundamentalist translations. It seems to me like cherry-picking. The KJV has And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
It seems to me you have neither the education, experience, or authority to cast it away. If you always use a translation that has a different rendering (there are a few), what is it, for you are basing your reading on another's scholarship ?

[narses]

It seems to me you have neither the education, experience, or authority to cast it away. If you always use a translation that has a different rendering (there are a few), what is it, for you are basing your reading on another’s scholarship ?

That IS the nub.

[CynicalBear]

>>traditionally approved Protestant, Evangelical, and Fundamentalist translations.<<

Traditionally? Are you kidding me? Traditionally the Catholics include paganism by their own admission. Most every Protestant church does the same. It's the pharisees who trusted tradition and we see what Jesus thought of that approach.

[ealgeone]

So find the “authority” in the Greek text. That should be easy for you if you find it “too funny”. Surely you have already studied the Geek to be able to say that right?

oh you'll be getting a picture soon! :)

[narses]

Traditionally the Catholics include paganism by their own admission. Most every Protestant church does the same.

HEHEhehehe......

And then there was one. The lonely little church of you.

[ealgeone]

“Jesus said to them again, ‘Peace be with you. As the Father has sent me, even so I send you.’ And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and said to them, ‘Receive the Holy Spirit. If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven; if you retain the sins of any, they are retained.’ “

And how would the apostles forgive sins? By preaching the Word. How would the sins be retained If people rejected the Word.

you cultists can gum things up sometimes.

[af_vet_1981]

Traditionally? Are you kidding me? Traditionally the Catholics include paganism by their own admission. Most every Protestant church does the same. It's the pharisees who trusted tradition and we see what Jesus thought of that approach.

It seems to me you just set at nought both the Catholics as well as almost every Protestant church, leaving Evangelicals and Fundamentalists (I exclude the cults), Fundamentalists set aside Evangelical churches as not being legitimate New Testament churches for a set of reasons. It seems to me you do not value the power, legacy, and authority of the King James Version although I don't know why. Do I need a password to get a straight answers about which church(es) are in your fellowship and which translation they use ?

[CynicalBear]

Yeah, the intellectual equivalent of a kindergarten coloring book.

[ealgeone]

and so have no formal training of significance in Hebrew and Greek that would justify casting away traditionally approved Protestant, Evangelical, and Fundamentalist translations. It seems to me like cherry-picking. The KJV has And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

It seems to me you have neither the education, experience, or authority to cast it away. If you always use a translation that has a different rendering (there are a few), what is it, for you are basing your reading on another's scholarship ?

And just what type of Biblical language training do you have?? You just take the pope's word and go home? Is he a Greek scholar??

CBs comments on Matthew 16:19 are correct. The Greek is the Greek. Doesn't matter if it's protestant or catholic.

[CynicalBear]

>>Do I need a password to get a straight answers about which church(es) are in your fellowship<<

I am part of the universal assembly of those who have accepted Christ alone as their savior.

>>and which translation they use ?<<

I have found it best to compare all translations to the original Hebrew or Greek with guidence from the Holy Spirit as directed in scripture.

[terycarl]

Now how can each church do its “own” mass? Would that be, dare it be said, interpreting things your own way??

the Catholic Mass is pretty much the same all over the world....some slight differences in music perhaps, language in the vernacular, minor movements (some Catholic churches do not have kneelers), other than that kind of the same thing.

[Heart-Rest]

I rely on the Hebrew and Greek as found in Strong’s, Thayer’s, etc

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Scroll down to the Bible text references for "Matthew 16:19" and "Matthew 18:18" on this "biblehub.com" "Strong's" web page "http://biblehub.com/greek/strongs_1510.htm" (which uses "Strong's" to show their translation of the Greek word "estai" as used twice in both Matthew 16:19 and Matthew 18:18), and you will find they translate both sets of those occurrences in both of those Bible texts to "will be bound" and "will be loosed".

Similarly, their "Thayer's" entry here - "http://biblehub.com/thayers/1510.htm" (do a 'find' on "Matthew 16:19" on that page) for that Greek word translates it as "shall remain bound" and "shall remain loosed".

Here are the "biblehub.com" interlinear entries for those two texts:

   "http://biblehub.com/interlinear/matthew/16-19.htm"

   "http://biblehub.com/interlinear/matthew/18-18.htm"

[terycarl]

Burning brimstone isn’t

when you make a ststement like this, without referring to what I said in the first place, I have no idea of what you are talking about...sorry....or I would successfully refute your statement.

[terycarl]

So you are claiming that Mary is a MACHINE?

in second grade I learned to read and interpret the message......I didn't even imply that Mary was a machine, I merely pointed out that we mere mortals had a machine that you implied that Mary couldn;t outperform....pay real close attention.