Posted on 10/08/2014 11:39:09 AM PDT by NKP_Vet
Why would intelligent, successful people give up their careers, alienate their friends, and cause havoc in their families...to become Catholic? Indeed, why would anyone become Catholic?
As an evangelist and author who recently threw my own life into some turmoil by deciding to enter the Catholic Church, I've faced this question a lot lately. That is one reason I decided to make this documentary; it's part of my attempt to try to explain to those closest to me why I would do such a crazy thing.
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All show...no substance.
Please show proof that the "traditions" in the Catholic Church today are the same "traditions" the apostles were talking about.
I go to a 7000+ member SBC and let me tell you something. No one I know drinks. We all love out good ole southern sweet tea without anythng added to it. I do love Steak Out’s sugar free tea. I love lemonade/orangeade. Nothing like homemade orangeade. I was talking to my daughter several months ago. I told her I hated the smell of anything with alcohol in it. She said people told her it was an acquired taste. I don’t drink anything that has to have an acquired taste. Yuck. Plus, I keep water handy.
Every Protestant church I have ever been in uses alcoholic wine.
I’ve been to Baptist Churches where they used grapejuice.
I’ve even heard a certain Baptist preacher tie himself in knots claiming Jesus turned the water into grapejuice.
Of course, I questioned and confronted the Preacher about his teachings vs scripture (Romans 14). Afterwards I never went back.
Just because something is old does not make it right or Biblical.
All show...no substance.
Denial is a river in Egypt. You should check it out.
And if I did, provided it was to your satisfaction, would you acknowledge the Sacred Tradition of the Catholic Church as a valid rule of Faith?
Incidentally it is nice to see a protestant acknowledge the authority of historical continuity as important. It certainly belies the misguided notion of sola scriptura .
Do not know about him but my Southern Baptist minister got his PHD in ancient languages from Biblcal times. I trust him a whole lot more anyone here. He tells the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. He has been our minister since 1978.
There are those who for some reason have that mindset. They fail to see that their credibility as spokesman is diminished.
So I guess you're done then? When a protestant has nothing left but a flippant remark (or a picture) then I can only come to the conclusion that we've gone as far as their particular brand of fundamentalism allows them to go. The intersection of the theological with the secular.
It's really a fascinating phenomenon to behold when protestants have exhausted what limited theological knowledge they possess and revert to that which seems to hold sway in the secular world. You'd think they would go farther, exploring the deep richness of Christian theology. Unfortunately it just goes back to the same tired old juvenile refrains. Ultimately expressing the secular nature of Protestantism.
Let’s see your proof. And please don’t give me that one person told the next person nonsense. I’ve played that game.
God bless your little heart. We depend on the Bible to lead us on our Christian journey. 100%.
We depend on the Bible but y’all trust in man. Is sad.
It's not the perceived 'worship' of the relics themselves -- but what those relics represent.
For the heathens do not pray to the objects themselves which represent some spirit or 'power', as much as they pray to (and give worship to) that which the object represents.
That is the real issue.
(Deuteronomy 5:8)--"You shall not make for yourself an idol, or any likeness of what is in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the water under the earth."
Does the info at the link make sense to you?
Though you yourself and more than a few other [Roman] Catholics (particularly in the USA?) may not bow down to images while praying to whichever "spirit" or entity the images or relic represent --- some apparently DO, judging by outwards appearances, and their own words concerning it -- even as the same is on the other hand, at the same time -- denied.
It comes across as having it both ways...
In such passages as;
(Exodus 20:4-5)--"You shall not make for yourself an idol, or any likeness of what is in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the water under the earth. 5"You shall not worship them or serve them; for I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children, on the third and the fourth generations of those who hate Me."
what comes to mind (of course?) are the various gods and goddesses so widely and often worshiped by mankind which were not the One God.
Adding junior members as it were, of even heaven (with the junior members having semi-divine individual capabilities and 'authority') does appear, according to the many and varied instances among the sacred texts, to be prohibited.
Being that as it is written --even the hairs of our head are numbered (by God, from His own perspective) and that Christ when He walked the earth was able to percieve the very thoughts of those whom He interacted with --- many (myself included) assume He knows our each and every thought...although I imagine He may tune out much of it. hoo-boy
So why pray to ANYONE other than God the Father?
Did not Christ Himself instruct his disciples to do that very thing? To pray, "in this manner"...?
Where does He say to pray to any other?
Yet the "heathen" and pagan as it were, is known for ancestor worship --praying to them for their guidance...
Can you see what I getting at here?
The Protestant objections to praying to those perceived to be saints and the like, are far from groundless, unless we all think it best that God be something of a pantheon of Gods -- One Big One, and a whole bunch of lesser deity-entities.
It is written for us to boldly approach the throne of grace. Who is on that throne?
If "they" (all other than the Creator Himself) be not divine in some way, capable of hearing and acting on what they hear, then why pray to them ion the first place?
If we wished to send message to them, why not make God the Father the go-between, rather than the other way around, directing prayers to saints or even "Mary" as to whatever it is that troubles us instead of praying directly to God the Father who by spirit of adoption we are allowed to call "Father"?
If we wish to send love, then "Dear Lord, give them my best. It's not much, I admit, but please let them know -- thank you, thank you so very much - hope to see you soon."
12 For the word of God is living and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the division of soul and spirit, and of joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. 13 And there is no creature hidden from His sight, but all things are naked and open to the eyes of Him to whom we must give account. 14 Seeing then that we have a great High Priest who has passed through the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our confession. 15 For we do not have a High Priest who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but was in all points tempted as we are, yet without sin. 16 Let us therefore come boldly to the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy and find grace to help in time of need.
Believe it or not Benny Hinn was like that when He first started. He grew up in the ME and was an incredible teacher. Man has he strayed!
It's really a fascinating phenomenon to behold when protestants have exhausted what limited theological knowledge they possess and revert to that which seems to hold sway in the secular world. You'd think they would go farther, exploring the deep richness of Christian theology. Unfortunately it just goes back to the same tired old juvenile refrains. Ultimately expressing the secular nature of Protestantism.
Nope. It's impossible to reason with anyone who denies the facts about mary worship as you do.
You denied there were idols of mary....I provided these.
You still deny.
And then you attempt to shift the conversation in typical alinsky tactics so that tells me you can't deny these images. as I said, there's lots more of these and you know it.
woops. I did not intend the bolding of the last two verses, intending only to bold the numbers as it were. my apologies.
Bad editing. I plead Guilty.
If you've already been jaded and predisposed to ignore facts and truths because of it then what would be the point?
Yeah, didn’t think you could. In reality Catholics have no idea if those “traditions” are the same. Truth is, they can’t possibly be the same. The Holy Spirit through Paul told us that if someone taught something they didn’t to consider that person accursed.
I denied your interpretative philosophy regarding those images. Because you can't prove that the focal point of those images is a deity to be worshiped. Can you say that? I suppose you could, but it doesn't make it so.
You can post all the images you want but unless you can prove the underlying premise which is these are deities being worshiped then you're engaging in nothing but liberal propaganda.
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