Posted on 10/08/2014 11:39:09 AM PDT by NKP_Vet
Why would intelligent, successful people give up their careers, alienate their friends, and cause havoc in their families...to become Catholic? Indeed, why would anyone become Catholic?
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Your latest reasoning amounts to Why Anyone Would Become (Roman) Catholic would be to get rid of those you disagree with strongly enough...through their execution.
The context explains it. The murders referred to are those of Rome killing theological dissidents, which murders are necessarily antecedant to your failed attempts to find some shred of Scriptural justification for them. We are done, FRiend. No trust, no talk.
I never referred to any such murders. I only discussed the scriptures. It seems to me some tried to read my mind and assign motive without doing due diligence. I have been accused of high crimes and misdemeanors.
No, you are confused.
Yes, I've read the passage prior times. Tell me how it ended. Was there a divorce or did he keep his father's wife ?
If you really get that out of it, you are beyond my ability to help. If the reader wishes, it will be easier to see how this developed by going back to post #1644 and tracing forward. I stand by everything I said. Let the reader make up his/her own mind.
May God bless you AF,
SR
Typo in my previous post. The reference should be back to post #2644. Sorry.
Murder would have been the better term to use.
Jesus NEVER gave the church the right, authority, or power to kill, or murder, anyone.
While the government does have the right to execute justice, and a person can use force even to the point of being deadly, to defend himself.
Killing in the name of religion is MURDER, and does not depend on who they are or were.
If the shoe fits.......
And Catholics whine about Protestants being *anti-Catholic*, *haters*, and *bigots*.
When was the last time you or I saw Protestants calling for the murder of dissidents to their religion of choice?
Seems to me that next time some thin-skinned Catholic takes offense at something a Prot says, we can remind them that at least we aren’t calling for their blood like Catholics do to those who disagree with them.
Unlike, perhaps, others, I do not follow every post you make. I qualified what I wrote, and correctly pointed out there is a trusted group of prophets and apostles who are the foundation of the ekklesia, who have been the instruments of death, not murder. I used only the scriptures, with no reference to post scriptural history. Looking backward, I should have used a caveat to exclude myself from whatever other points that discussion harbored to prevent being misunderstood and being thereby falsely accused. I dissent strongly from the general principle you asserted, that "Because Jesus has specifically stated His kingdom is not of this world, no office of the Ecclesia Jesus is building has any authority to end a human life." That is patently false as evidenced by prophet and apostle, as is evident in Elijah, Elisha, Peter, and Paul (all of whom can only do this in the will and power of God). I make no allowances for anyone else, Catholic, Protestant, Evangelical, Other, or Jewish taking a life in the name of God. I don't expect it to occur until Elijah comes, although I could be wrong. Oh, and I left out angels; they also apparently have the right and power to kill at God's command but we do not quite count them as Ekklesia so that was proper.
Surely you are not using that to insinuate that they literally killed them.
Your post is illogical. Kill /= murder, and yet you combine the terms with an "or." Murder is always wrong. From whom did Peter, Paul, and Elijah get the right, authority, and power to kill ? Do you hold they are not part of the church, or are you asserting on behalf of the entire church (in which case you would only be correct until Messiah returns, which will apparently result in some killing. 14And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints, 15To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.
Jude
That is preposterous. The "death" they were speaking had nothing to do with physically putting them to death. Your statement has to be one of the most blatant examples of Catholic Biblical illiteracy I have ever seen.
4 In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when ye are gathered together, and my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ, 5 To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.
I see no difference between the unnamed Corinthian and Ananias/Sapphira. I don't doubt Paul's apostle ship. I don't doubt the Greek words. If you do doubt, compare it with 1 Thess 5:3, 2 Thess 1:9, and 1 Tim 6:9. His sin was extreme. We don't read of his burial. Some see him in 2 Cor but that is unconfirmed speculation.
Lest you be confused, let me add. The church in Corinth would not have physically harmed him. They would have pronounced Paul’s judgment on him, his word, like Peter’s word, could bring death or life.
Context context context. You came in on the middle of another conversation. There are consequences to ignoring context. Everyone here can draw their own conclusions.
Peace,
SR
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