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Protecting God’s Word From “Bible Christians”
Crisis Magazine ^ | October 3, 2014 | RICHARD BECKER

Posted on 10/03/2014 2:33:43 PM PDT by NYer

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“Stand firm and hold fast to the traditions that you were taught,
either by an oral statement or by a letter of ours.”
~ St. Paul to the Thessalonians

A former student of mine is thinking of becoming a Catholic, and she had a question for me. “I don’t understand the deuterocanonical books,” she ventured. “If the Catholic faith is supposed to be a fulfillment of the Jewish faith, why do Catholics accept those books and the Jews don’t?” She’d done her homework, and was troubled that the seven books and other writings of the deuterocanon had been preserved only in Greek instead of Hebrew like the rest of the Jewish scriptures—which is part of the reason why they were classified, even by Catholics, as a “second” (deutero) canon.

My student went on. “I’m just struggling because there are a lot of references to those books in Church doctrine, but they aren’t considered inspired Scripture. Why did Luther feel those books needed to be taken out?” she asked. “And why are Protestants so against them?”

The short answer sounds petty and mean, but it’s true nonetheless: Luther jettisoned those “extra” Old Testament books—Tobit, Sirach, 1 and 2 Maccabees, and the like—because they were inconvenient. The Apocrypha (or, “false writings”), as they came to be known, supported pesky Catholic doctrines that Luther and other reformers wanted to suppress—praying for the dead, for instance, and the intercession of the saints. Here’s John Calvin on the subject:

Add to this, that they provide themselves with new supports when they give full authority to the Apocryphal books. Out of the second of the Maccabees they will prove Purgatory and the worship of saints; out of Tobit satisfactions, exorcisms, and what not. From Ecclesiasticus they will borrow not a little. For from whence could they better draw their dregs?

However, the deuterocanonical literature was (and is) prominent in the liturgy and very familiar to that first generation of Protestant converts, so Luther and company couldn’t very well ignore it altogether. Consequently, those seven “apocryphal” books, along with the Greek portions of Esther and Daniel, were relegated to an appendix in early Protestant translations of the Bible.

Eventually, in the nineteenth century sometime, many Protestant Bible publishers starting dropping the appendix altogether, and the modern translations used by most evangelicals today don’t even reference the Apocrypha at all. Thus, the myth is perpetuated that nefarious popes and bishops have gotten away with brazenly foisting a bunch of bogus scripture on the ignorant Catholic masses.

Nothing could be further from the truth.

To begin with, it was Luther and Calvin and the other reformers who did all the foisting. The Old Testament that Christians had been using for 1,500 years had always included the so-called Apocrypha, and there was never a question as to its canonicity. Thus, by selectively editing and streamlining their own versions of the Bible according to their sectarian biases (including, in Luther’s case, both Testaments, Old and New), the reformers engaged in a theological con game. To make matters worse, they covered their tracks by pointing fingers at the Catholic Church for “adding” phony texts to the closed canon of Hebrew Sacred Writ.

In this sense, the reformers were anticipating what I call the Twain-Jefferson approach to canonical revisionism. It involves two simple steps.

The reformers justified their Twain-Jefferson humbug by pointing to the canon of scriptures in use by European Jews during that time, and it did not include those extra Catholic books—case closed! Still unconvinced? Today’s defenders of the reformers’ biblical reshaping will then proceed to throw around historical precedent and references to the first-century Council of Jamnia, but it’s all really smoke and mirrors.

The fact is that the first-century Jewish canon was pretty mutable and there was no universal definitive list of sacred texts. On the other hand, it is indisputable that the version being used by Jesus and the Apostles during that time was the Septuagint—the Greek version of the Hebrew scriptures that included Luther’s rejected apocryphal books. SCORE: Deuterocanon – 1; Twain-Jefferson Revisionism – 0.

But this is all beside the point. It’s like an argument about creationism vs. evolution that gets funneled in the direction of whether dinosaurs could’ve been on board Noah’s Ark. Once you’re arguing about that, you’re no longer arguing about the bigger issue of the historicity of those early chapters in Genesis. The parallel red herring here is arguing over the content of the Christian Old Testament canon instead of considering the nature of authority itself and how it’s supposed to work in the Church, especially with regards to the Bible.

I mean, even if we can settle what the canon should include, we don’t have the autographs (original documents) from any biblical books anyway. While we affirm the Church’s teaching that all Scripture is inspired and teaches “solidly, faithfully and without error that truth which God wanted put into sacred writings” (DV 11), there are no absolutes when it comes to the precise content of the Bible.

Can there be any doubt that this is by God’s design? Without the autographs, we are much less tempted to worship a static book instead of the One it reveals to us. Even so, it’s true that we are still encouraged to venerate the Scriptures, but we worship the incarnate Word—and we ought not confuse the two. John the Baptist said as much when he painstakingly distinguished between himself, the announcer, and the actual Christ he was announcing. The Catechism, quoting St. Bernard, offers a further helpful distinction:

The Christian faith is not a “religion of the book.” Christianity is the religion of the “Word” of God, a word which is “not a written and mute word, but the Word is incarnate and living.”

Anyway, with regards to authority and the canon of Scripture, Mark Shea couldn’t have put it more succinctly than his recent response to a request for a summary of why the deuterocanon should be included in the Bible:

Because the Church in union with Peter, the pillar and ground of the truth (1 Timothy 3:15) granted authority by Christ to loose and bind (Matthew 16:19), says they should be.

Right. The Church says so, and that’s good enough.

For it’s the Church who gives us the Scriptures. It’s the Church who preserves the Scriptures and tells us to turn to them. It’s the Church who bathes us in the Scriptures with the liturgy, day in and day out, constantly watering our souls with God’s Word. Isn’t it a bit bizarre to be challenging the Church with regards to which Scriptures she’s feeding us with? “No, mother,” the infant cries, “not breast milk! I want Ovaltine! Better yet, how about some Sprite!”

Think of it this way. My daughter Margaret and I share an intense devotion to Betty Smith’s remarkable novel, A Tree Grows in Brooklyn. It’s a bittersweet family tale of impoverishment, tragedy, and perseverance, and we often remark how curious it is that Smith’s epic story receives so little attention.

I was rooting around the sale shelf at the public library one day, and I happened upon a paperback with the name “Betty Smith” on the spine. I took a closer look: Joy in the Morning, a 1963 novel of romance and the struggles of newlyweds, and it was indeed by the same Smith of Tree fame. I snatched it up for Meg.

The other day, Meg thanked me for the book, and asked me to be on the lookout for others by Smith. “It wasn’t nearly as good as Tree,” she said, “and I don’t expect any of her others to be as good. But I want to read everything she wrote because Tree was so wonderful.”

See, she wants to get to know Betty Smith because of what she encountered in A Tree Grows in Brooklyn. And all we have are her books and other writings; Betty Smith herself is gone.

But Jesus isn’t like that. We have the book, yes, but we have more. We still have the Word himself.



TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; Evangelical Christian; Theology
KEYWORDS: apocrypha; bible; calvin; christians; herewegoagain; luther
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To: Springfield Reformer
But his physical death puts him beyond talking to. God can address him. Not me. And he would heartily agree. We wait for the resurrection. We can talk then.

Not necessarily beyond talking to, although it would be miraculous and of God according to:


821 posted on 10/07/2014 11:47:44 AM PDT by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all begani)
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To: rwilson99

Pretty simple, the earthly body dies, the soul lives on.

Catholics can talk to people when they are sleeping apparently.

Mary is “asleep” and does not communicate with those still living on earth.

Extra/un-Biblical Mary “beliefs”

Got any scriptures to back up your opinions on Mary?

Mary as Eve and the Ark, important in salvation history?

Only in that Mary gave birth to Jesus.

But then popes from the Catholic religion have said that salvation can come from Mary. Not a mention of Jesus when they claimed that years ago.

Catholics HAVE to believe whatever their popes say, that is very important.

I see you did not answer my questions, no problem that is pretty much SOP.

But I’ll try with another one.

What is it in John 6 that is so important?

Got a link?


822 posted on 10/07/2014 11:50:58 AM PDT by Syncro (The Body of Christ [His church]: Made up of every born again Christian. Source--Jesus in the Bible)
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To: metmom; rwilson99; Syncro
>>Which is not supported ANYWHERE in Scripture.<<

Thus the word "hint". Catholicism is built on hint, supposition, and conjecture with much of paganism thrown in. How often have we heard from Catholics the statement " it doesn't say it didn't happen"? Built on sand comes to mind.

823 posted on 10/07/2014 12:19:21 PM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus in)
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To: af_vet_1981

I already addressed the resurrection. That’s not the present state of anyone but Jesus, and Him I talk to.


824 posted on 10/07/2014 12:26:37 PM PDT by Springfield Reformer (Winston Churchill: No Peace Till Victory!)
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To: Springfield Reformer
I already addressed the resurrection. That’s not the present state of anyone but Jesus, and Him I talk to.

Have you returned to being a cessationist ? :) Do you hear his audible voice when you talk to him ? Jesus is our LORD, the resurrection and the life. While it is not ordinary, miracles belong to Him and can occur when he wills it. You cannot know the actual state of the spirits of those whose bodies are in the grave but whose hearts he circumcised. You cannot know who he has raised from the dead, other than those named or mentioned. You cannot even know where Moses and a Elijah are. The science of Theology is limited and does not pierce the heavens.

825 posted on 10/07/2014 12:40:39 PM PDT by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all begani)
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To: rwilson99

No you mistake my comments. The Talmud was upheld by a poster as evidence of Jews praying for the dead. I pointed out such belief is a departure from the Judaism of Christ’s period on earth. Thus the Law, Prophets and Writings give no such support.


827 posted on 10/07/2014 12:49:22 PM PDT by redleghunter (But let your word 'yes be 'yes,' and your 'no be 'no.' Anything more than this is from the evil one.)
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To: SampleMan

Paul says that he and Moses preached the same gospel (Hebrews 4)

Yeshua said the same.

You seem to have your own private deviant version.


828 posted on 10/07/2014 12:50:28 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: vladimir998; editor-surveyor; roamer_1; daniel1212

The very formation of the Hebrew canon surely has an authoritative order thus we have TaNaKh. The pecking order is Law, Prophets, Writings.


829 posted on 10/07/2014 12:53:17 PM PDT by redleghunter (But let your word 'yes be 'yes,' and your 'no be 'no.' Anything more than this is from the evil one.)
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To: redleghunter
--- The Talmud was upheld by a poster as evidence of Jews praying for the dead. I pointed out such belief is a departure from the Judaism of Christ’s period on earth. Thus the Law, Prophets and Writings give no such support. ---

Its historicity is recorded in the Bible and the Jews continue the practice to this day.

2 Maccabees 12:38-46

38 So Judas having gathered together his army, came into the city Odollam: and when the seventh day came, they purified themselves according to the custom, and kept the sabbath in the place.

39 And the day following Judas came with his company, to take away the bodies of them that were slain, and to bury them with their kinsmen, in the sepulchres of their fathers.

40 And they found under the coats of the slain some of the donaries of the idols of Jamnia, which the law forbiddeth to the Jews: so that all plainly saw, that for this cause they were slain.

41 Then they all blessed the just judgment of the Lord, who had discovered the things that were hidden. 42 And so betaking themselves to prayers, they besought him, that the sin which had been committed might be forgotten. But the most valiant Judas exhorted the people to keep themselves from sin, forasmuch as they saw before their eyes what had happened, because of the sins of those that were slain.

43 And making a gathering, he sent twelve thousand drachms of silver to Jerusalem for sacrifice to be offered for the sins of the dead, thinking well and religiously concerning the resurrection,

44 (For if he had not hoped that they that were slain should rise again, it would have seemed superfluous and vain to pray for the dead,)

45 And because he considered that they who had fallen asleep with godliness, had great grace laid up for them.

46 It is therefore a holy and wholesome thought to pray for the dead, that they may be loosed from sins.


830 posted on 10/07/2014 12:58:34 PM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas ( Isaiah 22:22, Matthew 16:19, Revelation 3:7)
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To: Elsie

“A person is s’posed to be a SAINT before they can turn their cheek?”

Why do you argue in such a tendentious fashion?

My meaning was perfectly clear.


831 posted on 10/07/2014 1:00:15 PM PDT by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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To: dsc; Elsie

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/3210993/posts?page=673#673 “so I withdraw from this discussion.”

So much for veracity.


835 posted on 10/07/2014 1:10:49 PM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus in)
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas

And which prophet or priest commanded such in the Name of God?

I am sure you are familiar with the period of time. The high priest was an appointed or taken by force position not within the Levite tribe. Conquering leaders or appointed leaders not of the Davidic line.

No prophets proclaiming “thus saith the LORD”. So tell me how such an environment containing none of the elements of the remaining authoritative Tanakh how one can base such doctrines?


836 posted on 10/07/2014 1:11:05 PM PDT by redleghunter (But let your word 'yes be 'yes,' and your 'no be 'no.' Anything more than this is from the evil one.)
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas
Its historicity is recorded in the Bible and the Jews continue the practice to this day.

Mourner's Kaddish is a poignantly beautiful offering from someone who turns the focus from his loss of a parent or child to exalting the Holy One of Israel. It is sublime. Transliteration: Yitgadal v'yitkadash sh'mei raba b'alma di-v'ra chirutei, v'yamlich malchutei b'chayeichon uvyomeichon uvchayei d'chol beit yisrael, ba'agala uvizman kariv, v'im'ru: "amen." Y'hei sh'mei raba m'varach l'alam ul'almei almaya. Yitbarach v'yishtabach, v'yitpa'ar v'yitromam v'yitnaseh, v'yithadar v'yit'aleh v'yit'halal sh'mei d'kud'sha, b'rich hu, l'eila min-kol-birchata v'shirata, tushb'chata v'nechemata da'amiran b'alma, v'im'ru: "amen." Y'hei shlama raba min-sh'maya v'chayim aleinu v'al-kol-yisrael, v'im'ru: "amen." Oseh shalom bimromav, hu ya'aseh shalom aleinu v'al kol-yisrael, v'imru: "amen."

Translation: Glorified and sanctified be God's great name throughout the world which He has created according to His will. May He establish His kingdom in your lifetime and during your days, and within the life of the entire House of Israel, speedily and soon; and say, Amen. May His great name be blessed forever and to all eternity. Blessed and praised, glorified and exalted, extolled and honored, adored and lauded be the name of the Holy One, blessed be He, beyond all the blessings and hymns, praises and consolations that are ever spoken in the world; and say, Amen. May there be abundant peace from heaven, and life, for us and for all Israel; and say, Amen. He who creates peace in His celestial heights, may He create peace for us and for all Israel; and say, Amen.

837 posted on 10/07/2014 1:21:18 PM PDT by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all begani)
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To: af_vet_1981

Ha ha. No, I still believe in miracles. I just don’t believe in doing what I’ve been told not to do. Which all of your uncertainty regarding the state of the departed argues for, and not against, I.e., extreme caution. I used to work for a nuke. Rule number 1: Don’t touch what you don’t understand or have authority to handle. It’s really for your own good.


838 posted on 10/07/2014 1:22:24 PM PDT by Springfield Reformer (Winston Churchill: No Peace Till Victory!)
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To: redleghunter

“The very formation of the Hebrew canon surely has an authoritative order thus we have TaNaKh. The pecking order is Law, Prophets, Writings.”

What Jew defined the Jewish canon? When did he do it? And why should Christians assume that someone who did not know Christ or who rejected Christ should be relied on for that canon?


839 posted on 10/07/2014 1:30:49 PM PDT by vladimir998
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To: editor-surveyor

So Jews are Christians and Christians are Jews in your reality? Except in your estimation, Jews that don’t accept that they are Christians and Christians who don’t accept that they are Jews, whom you brand “deviant”.

Your church must have a membership running up into the double digets.


840 posted on 10/07/2014 1:34:54 PM PDT by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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