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Protecting God’s Word From “Bible Christians”
Crisis Magazine ^
| October 3, 2014
| RICHARD BECKER
Posted on 10/03/2014 2:33:43 PM PDT by NYer
“Stand firm and hold fast to the traditions that you were taught,
either by an oral statement or by a letter of ours.”
~ St. Paul to the Thessalonians
A former student of mine is thinking of becoming a Catholic, and she had a question for me. I dont understand the deuterocanonical books, she ventured. If the Catholic faith is supposed to be a fulfillment of the Jewish faith, why do Catholics accept those books and the Jews dont? Shed done her homework, and was troubled that the seven books and other writings of the deuterocanon had been preserved only in Greek instead of Hebrew like the rest of the Jewish scriptureswhich is part of the reason why they were classified, even by Catholics, as a second (deutero) canon.
My student went on. Im just struggling because there are a lot of references to those books in Church doctrine, but they arent considered inspired Scripture. Why did Luther feel those books needed to be taken out? she asked. And why are Protestants so against them?
The short answer sounds petty and mean, but its true nonetheless: Luther jettisoned those extra Old Testament booksTobit, Sirach, 1 and 2 Maccabees, and the likebecause they were inconvenient. The Apocrypha (or, false writings), as they came to be known, supported pesky Catholic doctrines that Luther and other reformers wanted to suppresspraying for the dead, for instance, and the intercession of the saints. Heres John Calvin on the subject:
Add to this, that they provide themselves with new supports when they give full authority to the Apocryphal books. Out of the second of the Maccabees they will prove Purgatory and the worship of saints; out of Tobit satisfactions, exorcisms, and what not. From Ecclesiasticus they will borrow not a little. For from whence could they better draw their dregs?
However, the deuterocanonical literature was (and is) prominent in the liturgy and very familiar to that first generation of Protestant converts, so Luther and company couldnt very well ignore it altogether. Consequently, those seven apocryphal books, along with the Greek portions of Esther and Daniel, were relegated to an appendix in early Protestant translations of the Bible.
Eventually, in the nineteenth century sometime, many Protestant Bible publishers starting dropping the appendix altogether, and the modern translations used by most evangelicals today dont even reference the Apocrypha at all. Thus, the myth is perpetuated that nefarious popes and bishops have gotten away with brazenly foisting a bunch of bogus scripture on the ignorant Catholic masses.
Nothing could be further from the truth.
To begin with, it was Luther and Calvin and the other reformers who did all the foisting. The Old Testament that Christians had been using for 1,500 years had always included the so-called Apocrypha, and there was never a question as to its canonicity. Thus, by selectively editing and streamlining their own versions of the Bible according to their sectarian biases (including, in Luthers case, both Testaments, Old and New), the reformers engaged in a theological con game. To make matters worse, they covered their tracks by pointing fingers at the Catholic Church for adding phony texts to the closed canon of Hebrew Sacred Writ.
In this sense, the reformers were anticipating what I call the Twain-Jefferson approach to canonical revisionism. It involves two simple steps.
- Step one: Identify the parts of Scripture that you find especially onerous or troublesome. Generally, these will be straightforward biblical references that dont quite square with the doctrine one is championing or the practices one has already embraced. Mark Twain is the modern herald of this half of creative textual reconstruction: It aint those parts of the Bible that I cant understand that bother me, Twain wrote, it is the parts that I do understand.
- Step two: Yank the vexing parts out. Its what Thomas Jefferson literally did when he took his own Bible and cut out the passages he found offensivea kind of scripture by subtraction in the words of religion professor Stephen Prothero.
The reformers justified their Twain-Jefferson humbug by pointing to the canon of scriptures in use by European Jews during that time, and it did not include those extra Catholic bookscase closed! Still unconvinced? Todays defenders of the reformers biblical reshaping will then proceed to throw around historical precedent and references to the first-century Council of Jamnia, but its all really smoke and mirrors.
The fact is that the first-century Jewish canon was pretty mutable and there was no universal definitive list of sacred texts. On the other hand, it is indisputable that the version being used by Jesus and the Apostles during that time was the Septuagintthe Greek version of the Hebrew scriptures that included Luthers rejected apocryphal books. SCORE: Deuterocanon 1; Twain-Jefferson Revisionism 0.
But this is all beside the point. Its like an argument about creationism vs. evolution that gets funneled in the direction of whether dinosaurs couldve been on board Noahs Ark. Once youre arguing about that, youre no longer arguing about the bigger issue of the historicity of those early chapters in Genesis. The parallel red herring here is arguing over the content of the Christian Old Testament canon instead of considering the nature of authority itself and how its supposed to work in the Church, especially with regards to the Bible.
I mean, even if we can settle what the canon should include, we dont have the autographs (original documents) from any biblical books anyway. While we affirm the Churchs teaching that all Scripture is inspired and teaches solidly, faithfully and without error that truth which God wanted put into sacred writings (DV 11), there are no absolutes when it comes to the precise content of the Bible.
Can there be any doubt that this is by Gods design? Without the autographs, we are much less tempted to worship a static book instead of the One it reveals to us. Even so, its true that we are still encouraged to venerate the Scriptures, but we worship the incarnate Wordand we ought not confuse the two. John the Baptist said as much when he painstakingly distinguished between himself, the announcer, and the actual Christ he was announcing. The Catechism, quoting St. Bernard, offers a further helpful distinction:
The Christian faith is not a religion of the book. Christianity is the religion of the Word of God, a word which is not a written and mute word, but the Word is incarnate and living.
Anyway, with regards to authority and the canon of Scripture, Mark Shea couldnt have put it more succinctly than his recent response to a request for a summary of why the deuterocanon should be included in the Bible:
Because the Church in union with Peter, the pillar and ground of the truth (1 Timothy 3:15) granted authority by Christ to loose and bind (Matthew 16:19), says they should be.
Right. The Church says so, and thats good enough.
For its the Church who gives us the Scriptures. Its the Church who preserves the Scriptures and tells us to turn to them. Its the Church who bathes us in the Scriptures with the liturgy, day in and day out, constantly watering our souls with Gods Word. Isnt it a bit bizarre to be challenging the Church with regards to which Scriptures shes feeding us with? No, mother, the infant cries, not breast milk! I want Ovaltine! Better yet, how about some Sprite!
Think of it this way. My daughter Margaret and I share an intense devotion to Betty Smiths remarkable novel, A Tree Grows in Brooklyn. Its a bittersweet family tale of impoverishment, tragedy, and perseverance, and we often remark how curious it is that Smiths epic story receives so little attention.
I was rooting around the sale shelf at the public library one day, and I happened upon a paperback with the name Betty Smith on the spine. I took a closer look: Joy in the Morning, a 1963 novel of romance and the struggles of newlyweds, and it was indeed by the same Smith of Tree fame. I snatched it up for Meg.
The other day, Meg thanked me for the book, and asked me to be on the lookout for others by Smith. It wasnt nearly as good as Tree, she said, and I dont expect any of her others to be as good. But I want to read everything she wrote because Tree was so wonderful.
See, she wants to get to know Betty Smith because of what she encountered in A Tree Grows in Brooklyn. And all we have are her books and other writings; Betty Smith herself is gone.
But Jesus isnt like that. We have the book, yes, but we have more. We still have the Word himself.
TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; Evangelical Christian; Theology
KEYWORDS: apocrypha; bible; calvin; christians; herewegoagain; luther
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To: Rides_A_Red_Horse
But doesn’t it say in Galatians 5 that if we act with Love, Joy, Peace, Patience, Kindness, Generosity, Faithfulness, Gentleness & Self-Control... against these things there is no law?
I thought it was dogmatic Catholics stuck on rules that were confused about these things?
741
posted on
10/06/2014 7:23:38 PM PDT
by
rwilson99
(Please tell me how the words "shall not perish and have everlasting life" would NOT apply to Mary.)
To: sasportas
Anything for a laugh, you know.In THIS thread??
DEFINITLY!!!
742
posted on
10/06/2014 7:23:52 PM PDT
by
Elsie
( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
To: Rides_A_Red_Horse
Lucifer appears in Genesis... I would say the appearance of an angel isn’t all that.
743
posted on
10/06/2014 7:25:41 PM PDT
by
rwilson99
(Please tell me how the words "shall not perish and have everlasting life" would NOT apply to Mary.)
To: Elsie
When she declared ‘let is be done to me according to thy word...’ she had no idea what Joseph’s reaction would be... and no idea if she might meet the fate of an adulterer.
744
posted on
10/06/2014 7:27:58 PM PDT
by
rwilson99
(Please tell me how the words "shall not perish and have everlasting life" would NOT apply to Mary.)
To: CynicalBear
Yeah, I dont imagine any one of understand how that is or works. The Book specifically says...
1 Corinthians 2:9
But as it is written: Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man the things which God hath prepared for them that love Him.
745
posted on
10/06/2014 7:28:18 PM PDT
by
Elsie
( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
To: rwilson99
Gossip is one thing; WITNESS is entirely something else.
746
posted on
10/06/2014 7:30:05 PM PDT
by
Elsie
( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
To: Elsie
I opposed Peter to his face; because he was clearly in the wrong. I kinda get the impression that this counters the "Petrine" authority-means-infallible meme.
747
posted on
10/06/2014 7:36:31 PM PDT
by
boatbums
(God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
To: rwilson99
When she declared let is be done to me according to thy word... she had no idea what Josephs reaction would be... and no idea if she might meet the fate of an adulterer.Sorry; but there is NO way that you 'know' what kind of 'ideas' she may or may not have had.
All we KNOW is what Scripture records:
Luke 1:38
And Mary said, Behold the handmaid of the Lord; be it unto me according to thy word. And the angel departed from her.
Remember that Mary went to be with Elizabeth for 3 months, and then returned home just before John was born.
748
posted on
10/06/2014 7:36:55 PM PDT
by
Elsie
( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
To: rwilson99
Hey, if a person twists scripture enough they’ll find ways to maintain the Catholic paganism.
749
posted on
10/06/2014 7:42:26 PM PDT
by
CynicalBear
(For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus in)
To: rwilson99; Elsie
>>and no idea if she might meet the fate of an adulterer.<<
Yeah, with her total lack of faith in God and what the angel said I can see how she would have been afraid. (sarc)
750
posted on
10/06/2014 7:47:13 PM PDT
by
CynicalBear
(For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus in)
To: sasportas
The majority of who you call “early church fathers” are not even of Yeshua’s elect. They were unbelievers, as most of the nicolaitans were.
Of course they had no problem with cursing someone they didn’t even believe in. Not one single pope will find Yehova’s rest. Not one cardinal, not one priest. They are all false offices held by unbelievers.
751
posted on
10/06/2014 8:18:23 PM PDT
by
editor-surveyor
(Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
To: SampleMan
>> “What brand of Christianity are you signing off on?” <<
.
The kind that his apostles followed, the kind Moses preached, the kind that John wrote of in his first epistle. The kind Peter expounded upon to the “strangers” in Asia Minor.
752
posted on
10/06/2014 8:22:33 PM PDT
by
editor-surveyor
(Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
To: rwilson99; Syncro
Mary had come to believe in Christ without the benefit of witnessing a single miracle or sermon... because she believed in Jesus before Jesus was even born. I don't know about you, but if I had an angel appear to me, address me personally, tell me the great and wonderful things God was going to do for me, the blessing He was going to give me and I became pregnant while a REAL virgin - just like the angel said - I'd be inclined to call THAT a miracle in itself!
753
posted on
10/06/2014 8:28:06 PM PDT
by
boatbums
(God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
To: rwilson99; metmom
Without a single miracle, sermon, or their accounts in the Gospels. Just thought of another "miracle" Mary might have witnessed - Roman Catholicism teaches she was born without sin and remained sinless throughout her natural life. Don't you think everyone who knew her would have realized what a miracle that was? Ever deal with a two-year old, or a preteen? Funny, how nobody expects a kid to be perfectly sinless - surely someone would have thought that was a big deal and would have written something about this special girl who NEVER did anything wrong, don't you think? Surely her parents and siblings would have noted her exceptional holiness and perfect sinlessness - after all, NOBODY had ever seen it before. Wouldn't THAT count as a miracle?
754
posted on
10/06/2014 8:38:54 PM PDT
by
boatbums
(God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
To: Elsie
At least now I know why Luther was so adamant about editing Daniel.
Because the story of Susanna could never happen... Two men could never conspire to lie about a vulnerable woman.
755
posted on
10/06/2014 8:39:39 PM PDT
by
rwilson99
(Please tell me how the words "shall not perish and have everlasting life" would NOT apply to Mary.)
To: boatbums
Sure... It would also come with a healthy healing of humility... So I doubt Mary would have characterized it as such.
But it is another way she is set apart and why Catholics celebrate her... As John the Baptist, Elizabeth and the Servants at Cana certainly did.
756
posted on
10/06/2014 8:42:32 PM PDT
by
rwilson99
(Please tell me how the words "shall not perish and have everlasting life" would NOT apply to Mary.)
To: boatbums
>> “ I’d be inclined to call THAT a miracle in itself!” <<
.
No kidding!
757
posted on
10/06/2014 8:43:28 PM PDT
by
editor-surveyor
(Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
To: boatbums
Again... Lucifer-Genesis
And I point out this again to share that Mary’s ‘yes’ was in many ways the antithesis to Eve’s ‘no.’
758
posted on
10/06/2014 8:44:24 PM PDT
by
rwilson99
(Please tell me how the words "shall not perish and have everlasting life" would NOT apply to Mary.)
To: rwilson99
Where does it say in the bible that we should disregard those who according to John 3:16 in the KJV shall not perish and have everlasting life?
Where is this prohibition, especially when it emulates the servants at Cana and Jesus at the Transfiguration?
I can't disregard what God has explicitly said about not communicating with those who have passed on. The burden is on you, not me, to show the prohibition is lifted.
Besides, by refusing this temptation, I do not disregard those who have gone on to their reward as servants of Jesus. I honor them. Among them are my father, mother, brother, and sister after the flesh, and many others also, who were my faithful Sunday school teachers, mentors and friends. I love those godly people, and I can tell you of a truth the very last thing any of them would want me to do is try to contact them in flagrant disobedience to God. There is a time for everything. We had our time together while they were here, and we will be together again one day, and have all time and eternity to talk. I can be patient. It will be worth the wait.
As for Cana and the Transfiguration, there is nothing to emulate. We have already covered most of this, so I am restating it just to make sure I have been clear.
1) No one at Cana was dead, or had died and gone to heaven, with whom any living person communicated. Without that, you have nothing remotely like the sin of trying to communicate with the dead.
2) The Transfiguration has been adequately covered. Show me any word any disciple spoke TO Moses or Elijah. Crickets? I thought so. And please do not try to draw me into emulating the prerogatives that belong to God alone. God can speak with anyone or anything He wishes. I am not God, and never will be. To suggest I can pick up and do anything He has ever done is outrageous, and doubtless a violation of fundamental Christian truth. He is Creator. I am creature. My duty is to obey Him, not to play at being God and call it emulation.
Peace,
SR
To: editor-surveyor; sasportas
The majority of who you call early church fathers are not even of Yeshuas elect. They were unbelievers, as most of the nicolaitans were. Of course they had no problem with cursing someone they didnt even believe in. Every single New Testament book was written in Greek, used the Greek name: Ἰησοῦς Iesous, Aramaic: ܝܫܘܥ Isho; 72 BC to 3033 AD) and referred to the Son of God, Almighty God incarnate. Are you saying none of the APOSTLES realized they were secretly cursing him by calling him Iesous in the Scriptures they were writing under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit? Are you saying NONE of the Christians in English speaking countries addressing the Messiah as Jesus did so disregarding the genesis of that name? Sorry, I don't buy your argument.
Not only that, but when we Christians use the name Jesus today, we are NOT doing anything but praising and worshiping Him for who He is. I know HE knows the difference because He knows our hearts. He is Jesus Christ, my Savior and Lord, my Good Shepherd and Redeemer. Praise His wonderful name! Call Him what you will, just do not presume to condemn others who love and worship Him as Jesus.
760
posted on
10/06/2014 9:12:38 PM PDT
by
boatbums
(God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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