Protecting God’s Word From “Bible Christians”

Crisis Magazine ^ | October 3, 2014 | RICHARD BECKER

[rwilson99]

But doesn’t it say in Galatians 5 that if we act with Love, Joy, Peace, Patience, Kindness, Generosity, Faithfulness, Gentleness & Self-Control... against these things there is no law?

I thought it was dogmatic Catholics stuck on rules that were confused about these things?

[Elsie]

Anything for a laugh, you know.

In THIS thread??

DEFINITLY!!!

[rwilson99]

Lucifer appears in Genesis... I would say the appearance of an angel isn’t all that.

[rwilson99]

When she declared ‘let is be done to me according to thy word...’ she had no idea what Joseph’s reaction would be... and no idea if she might meet the fate of an adulterer.

[Elsie]

Yeah, I don’t imagine any one of understand how that is or works.

The Book specifically says...

1 Corinthians 2:9

But as it is written: “Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man the things which God hath prepared for them that love Him.”

[Elsie]

Gossip is one thing; WITNESS is entirely something else.

[boatbums]

I opposed Peter to his face; because he was clearly in the wrong.

I kinda get the impression that this counters the "Petrine" authority-means-infallible meme.

[Elsie]

When she declared ‘let is be done to me according to thy word...’ she had no idea what Joseph’s reaction would be... and no idea if she might meet the fate of an adulterer.

Sorry; but there is NO way that you 'know' what kind of 'ideas' she may or may not have had.

All we KNOW is what Scripture records:

Luke 1:38
And Mary said, Behold the handmaid of the Lord; be it unto me according to thy word. And the angel departed from her.

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Remember that Mary went to be with Elizabeth for 3 months, and then returned home just before John was born.

[CynicalBear]

Hey, if a person twists scripture enough they’ll find ways to maintain the Catholic paganism.

[CynicalBear]

>>and no idea if she might meet the fate of an adulterer.<<

Yeah, with her total lack of faith in God and what the angel said I can see how she would have been afraid. (sarc)

[editor-surveyor]

The majority of who you call “early church fathers” are not even of Yeshua’s elect. They were unbelievers, as most of the nicolaitans were.

Of course they had no problem with cursing someone they didn’t even believe in. Not one single pope will find Yehova’s rest. Not one cardinal, not one priest. They are all false offices held by unbelievers.

[editor-surveyor]

>> “What brand of Christianity are you signing off on?” <<

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The kind that his apostles followed, the kind Moses preached, the kind that John wrote of in his first epistle. The kind Peter expounded upon to the “strangers” in Asia Minor.

[boatbums]

Mary had come to believe in Christ without the benefit of witnessing a single miracle or sermon... because she believed in Jesus before Jesus was even born.

I don't know about you, but if I had an angel appear to me, address me personally, tell me the great and wonderful things God was going to do for me, the blessing He was going to give me and I became pregnant while a REAL virgin - just like the angel said - I'd be inclined to call THAT a miracle in itself!

[boatbums]

Without a single miracle, sermon, or their accounts in the Gospels.

Just thought of another "miracle" Mary might have witnessed - Roman Catholicism teaches she was born without sin and remained sinless throughout her natural life. Don't you think everyone who knew her would have realized what a miracle that was? Ever deal with a two-year old, or a preteen? Funny, how nobody expects a kid to be perfectly sinless - surely someone would have thought that was a big deal and would have written something about this special girl who NEVER did anything wrong, don't you think? Surely her parents and siblings would have noted her exceptional holiness and perfect sinlessness - after all, NOBODY had ever seen it before. Wouldn't THAT count as a miracle?

[rwilson99]

At least now I know why Luther was so adamant about editing Daniel.

Because the story of Susanna could never happen... Two men could never conspire to lie about a vulnerable woman.

[rwilson99]

Sure... It would also come with a healthy healing of humility... So I doubt Mary would have characterized it as such.

But it is another way she is set apart and why Catholics celebrate her... As John the Baptist, Elizabeth and the Servants at Cana certainly did.

[editor-surveyor]

>> “ I’d be inclined to call THAT a miracle in itself!” <<

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No kidding!

[rwilson99]

Again... Lucifer-Genesis

And I point out this again to share that Mary’s ‘yes’ was in many ways the antithesis to Eve’s ‘no.’

[Springfield Reformer]

Where does it say in the bible that we should disregard those who according to John 3:16 in the KJV “shall not perish and have everlasting life?”

Where is this prohibition, especially when it emulates the servants at Cana and Jesus at the Transfiguration?

I can't disregard what God has explicitly said about not communicating with those who have passed on. The burden is on you, not me, to show the prohibition is lifted.

Besides, by refusing this temptation, I do not disregard those who have gone on to their reward as servants of Jesus. I honor them. Among them are my father, mother, brother, and sister after the flesh, and many others also, who were my faithful Sunday school teachers, mentors and friends. I love those godly people, and I can tell you of a truth the very last thing any of them would want me to do is try to contact them in flagrant disobedience to God.  There is a time for everything. We had our time together while they were here, and we will be together again one day, and have all time and eternity to talk.  I can be patient. It will be worth the wait.

As for Cana and the Transfiguration,  there is nothing to emulate. We have already covered most of this, so I am restating it just to make sure I have been clear.

1) No one at Cana was dead, or had died and gone to heaven, with whom any living person communicated. Without that, you have nothing remotely like the sin of trying to communicate with the dead.

2) The Transfiguration has been adequately covered.  Show me any word any disciple spoke TO Moses or Elijah. Crickets? I thought so. And please do not try to draw me into emulating the prerogatives that belong to God alone. God can speak with anyone or anything He wishes. I am not God, and never will be. To suggest I can pick up and do anything He has ever done is outrageous, and doubtless a violation of fundamental Christian truth.  He is Creator.  I am creature.  My duty is to obey Him, not to play at being God and call it emulation.

Peace,

SR

[boatbums]

The majority of who you call “early church fathers” are not even of Yeshua’s elect. They were unbelievers, as most of the nicolaitans were. Of course they had no problem with cursing someone they didn’t even believe in.

Every single New Testament book was written in Greek, used the Greek name: Ἰησοῦς Iesous, Aramaic: ܝܫܘܥ‎ Isho; 7–2 BC to 30–33 AD) and referred to the Son of God, Almighty God incarnate. Are you saying none of the APOSTLES realized they were secretly cursing him by calling him Iesous in the Scriptures they were writing under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit? Are you saying NONE of the Christians in English speaking countries addressing the Messiah as Jesus did so disregarding the genesis of that name? Sorry, I don't buy your argument.

Not only that, but when we Christians use the name Jesus today, we are NOT doing anything but praising and worshiping Him for who He is. I know HE knows the difference because He knows our hearts. He is Jesus Christ, my Savior and Lord, my Good Shepherd and Redeemer. Praise His wonderful name! Call Him what you will, just do not presume to condemn others who love and worship Him as Jesus.