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Protecting God’s Word From “Bible Christians”
Crisis Magazine ^ | October 3, 2014 | RICHARD BECKER

Posted on 10/03/2014 2:33:43 PM PDT by NYer

Holy Bible graphic

“Stand firm and hold fast to the traditions that you were taught,
either by an oral statement or by a letter of ours.”
~ St. Paul to the Thessalonians

A former student of mine is thinking of becoming a Catholic, and she had a question for me. “I don’t understand the deuterocanonical books,” she ventured. “If the Catholic faith is supposed to be a fulfillment of the Jewish faith, why do Catholics accept those books and the Jews don’t?” She’d done her homework, and was troubled that the seven books and other writings of the deuterocanon had been preserved only in Greek instead of Hebrew like the rest of the Jewish scriptures—which is part of the reason why they were classified, even by Catholics, as a “second” (deutero) canon.

My student went on. “I’m just struggling because there are a lot of references to those books in Church doctrine, but they aren’t considered inspired Scripture. Why did Luther feel those books needed to be taken out?” she asked. “And why are Protestants so against them?”

The short answer sounds petty and mean, but it’s true nonetheless: Luther jettisoned those “extra” Old Testament books—Tobit, Sirach, 1 and 2 Maccabees, and the like—because they were inconvenient. The Apocrypha (or, “false writings”), as they came to be known, supported pesky Catholic doctrines that Luther and other reformers wanted to suppress—praying for the dead, for instance, and the intercession of the saints. Here’s John Calvin on the subject:

Add to this, that they provide themselves with new supports when they give full authority to the Apocryphal books. Out of the second of the Maccabees they will prove Purgatory and the worship of saints; out of Tobit satisfactions, exorcisms, and what not. From Ecclesiasticus they will borrow not a little. For from whence could they better draw their dregs?

However, the deuterocanonical literature was (and is) prominent in the liturgy and very familiar to that first generation of Protestant converts, so Luther and company couldn’t very well ignore it altogether. Consequently, those seven “apocryphal” books, along with the Greek portions of Esther and Daniel, were relegated to an appendix in early Protestant translations of the Bible.

Eventually, in the nineteenth century sometime, many Protestant Bible publishers starting dropping the appendix altogether, and the modern translations used by most evangelicals today don’t even reference the Apocrypha at all. Thus, the myth is perpetuated that nefarious popes and bishops have gotten away with brazenly foisting a bunch of bogus scripture on the ignorant Catholic masses.

Nothing could be further from the truth.

To begin with, it was Luther and Calvin and the other reformers who did all the foisting. The Old Testament that Christians had been using for 1,500 years had always included the so-called Apocrypha, and there was never a question as to its canonicity. Thus, by selectively editing and streamlining their own versions of the Bible according to their sectarian biases (including, in Luther’s case, both Testaments, Old and New), the reformers engaged in a theological con game. To make matters worse, they covered their tracks by pointing fingers at the Catholic Church for “adding” phony texts to the closed canon of Hebrew Sacred Writ.

In this sense, the reformers were anticipating what I call the Twain-Jefferson approach to canonical revisionism. It involves two simple steps.

The reformers justified their Twain-Jefferson humbug by pointing to the canon of scriptures in use by European Jews during that time, and it did not include those extra Catholic books—case closed! Still unconvinced? Today’s defenders of the reformers’ biblical reshaping will then proceed to throw around historical precedent and references to the first-century Council of Jamnia, but it’s all really smoke and mirrors.

The fact is that the first-century Jewish canon was pretty mutable and there was no universal definitive list of sacred texts. On the other hand, it is indisputable that the version being used by Jesus and the Apostles during that time was the Septuagint—the Greek version of the Hebrew scriptures that included Luther’s rejected apocryphal books. SCORE: Deuterocanon – 1; Twain-Jefferson Revisionism – 0.

But this is all beside the point. It’s like an argument about creationism vs. evolution that gets funneled in the direction of whether dinosaurs could’ve been on board Noah’s Ark. Once you’re arguing about that, you’re no longer arguing about the bigger issue of the historicity of those early chapters in Genesis. The parallel red herring here is arguing over the content of the Christian Old Testament canon instead of considering the nature of authority itself and how it’s supposed to work in the Church, especially with regards to the Bible.

I mean, even if we can settle what the canon should include, we don’t have the autographs (original documents) from any biblical books anyway. While we affirm the Church’s teaching that all Scripture is inspired and teaches “solidly, faithfully and without error that truth which God wanted put into sacred writings” (DV 11), there are no absolutes when it comes to the precise content of the Bible.

Can there be any doubt that this is by God’s design? Without the autographs, we are much less tempted to worship a static book instead of the One it reveals to us. Even so, it’s true that we are still encouraged to venerate the Scriptures, but we worship the incarnate Word—and we ought not confuse the two. John the Baptist said as much when he painstakingly distinguished between himself, the announcer, and the actual Christ he was announcing. The Catechism, quoting St. Bernard, offers a further helpful distinction:

The Christian faith is not a “religion of the book.” Christianity is the religion of the “Word” of God, a word which is “not a written and mute word, but the Word is incarnate and living.”

Anyway, with regards to authority and the canon of Scripture, Mark Shea couldn’t have put it more succinctly than his recent response to a request for a summary of why the deuterocanon should be included in the Bible:

Because the Church in union with Peter, the pillar and ground of the truth (1 Timothy 3:15) granted authority by Christ to loose and bind (Matthew 16:19), says they should be.

Right. The Church says so, and that’s good enough.

For it’s the Church who gives us the Scriptures. It’s the Church who preserves the Scriptures and tells us to turn to them. It’s the Church who bathes us in the Scriptures with the liturgy, day in and day out, constantly watering our souls with God’s Word. Isn’t it a bit bizarre to be challenging the Church with regards to which Scriptures she’s feeding us with? “No, mother,” the infant cries, “not breast milk! I want Ovaltine! Better yet, how about some Sprite!”

Think of it this way. My daughter Margaret and I share an intense devotion to Betty Smith’s remarkable novel, A Tree Grows in Brooklyn. It’s a bittersweet family tale of impoverishment, tragedy, and perseverance, and we often remark how curious it is that Smith’s epic story receives so little attention.

I was rooting around the sale shelf at the public library one day, and I happened upon a paperback with the name “Betty Smith” on the spine. I took a closer look: Joy in the Morning, a 1963 novel of romance and the struggles of newlyweds, and it was indeed by the same Smith of Tree fame. I snatched it up for Meg.

The other day, Meg thanked me for the book, and asked me to be on the lookout for others by Smith. “It wasn’t nearly as good as Tree,” she said, “and I don’t expect any of her others to be as good. But I want to read everything she wrote because Tree was so wonderful.”

See, she wants to get to know Betty Smith because of what she encountered in A Tree Grows in Brooklyn. And all we have are her books and other writings; Betty Smith herself is gone.

But Jesus isn’t like that. We have the book, yes, but we have more. We still have the Word himself.



TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; Evangelical Christian; Theology
KEYWORDS: apocrypha; bible; calvin; christians; herewegoagain; luther
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To: Springfield Reformer

Well done again. You put into words what I’ve been trying to with little success. Thank you.

So while it will no doubt fall on deaf ears, because as of yet, I haven’t encountered a Catholic with enough honesty and integrity to ever TRY to understand if from a non-Catholic perspective, it will reach someone.


521 posted on 10/05/2014 6:49:34 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: metmom
Yeah, I noticed.

They tend not to respond to posted scripture. There's not much to say when you're confronted with His word.

I made a point of illustrating exactly what a particular poster did with a series of shifting “direct quotes” claimed by the poster.

Let's simply leave it to the RM's judgment.

522 posted on 10/05/2014 6:49:54 PM PDT by Rides_A_Red_Horse (Why do you need a fire extinguisher when you can call the fire department?)
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To: narses
The Holy Spirit is clear in Scripture in calling Mary *the mother of Jesus*.

John 2:1 On the third day there was a wedding at Cana in Galilee, and the mother of Jesus was there.

John 2:3 When the wine ran out, the mother of Jesus said to him, “They have no wine.”

Acts 1:14 All these with one accord were devoting themselves to prayer, together with the women and Mary the mother of Jesus, and his brothers.

523 posted on 10/05/2014 6:51:28 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: narses; boatbums
See 501 and 503. Please advise.

Backatcha.

I've seen you do the exact same thing.

Advice?

How about quit pestering the RM before you annoy him?

524 posted on 10/05/2014 6:53:29 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: Springfield Reformer; metmom
I was really stoked about doint italics. I'm somewhat computer savy; throughout my Air Force career I've had to work with some pretty messed up systems and had to get smart. I never had to do HTML.

But I don’t do photo-shopped cereal boxes. So many reasons not to ... :)

How about a bear on a unicycle? ;-)

525 posted on 10/05/2014 6:53:38 PM PDT by Rides_A_Red_Horse (Why do you need a fire extinguisher when you can call the fire department?)
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To: Rides_A_Red_Horse

James tartly writes about christians who have christ.. col. 2:14-15)

And co redemptoris is not a catholic dogma. However, it only echoes Paul implying that we christians share in christ’s redeeming work col 1:24, plus all his writings about how god is working through his actions because he is cooperating with God’s grace.

catholics say we are saved by God’s grace.

by the grace of God I am what I am and his grace in me has not been fruitless.


526 posted on 10/05/2014 6:53:56 PM PDT by LadyDoc (liberals only love politically correct poor people)
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To: LadyDoc

How about you.

“Jesus Christ is sufficient for salvation. I, LadyDoc, do not need a coredemtrix for my salvation. Jesus alone is all I need to enter God’s Kingdom.”

Will you copy and paste?


527 posted on 10/05/2014 6:56:38 PM PDT by Rides_A_Red_Horse (Why do you need a fire extinguisher when you can call the fire department?)
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To: Rides_A_Red_Horse
Yeah. I felt the same way when I figured it out.

Did you know that if you replace the *i* with a *b* you get bold, and a *u* gets you underline , and a *s* gets you strike out and *p* gets you paragraph but you don't need to close is with the /p?

528 posted on 10/05/2014 6:58:22 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: Rides_A_Red_Horse
Yeah. I felt the same way when I figured it out.

Did you know that if you replace the *i* with a *b* you get bold, and a *u* gets you underline , and a *s* gets you strike out and *p* gets you paragraph but you don't need to close is with the /p?

529 posted on 10/05/2014 6:58:35 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: metmom

How’d that get posted twice?????


530 posted on 10/05/2014 7:03:44 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: metmom

Cool! I’ve got to try all of that.

I learned about the paragraph breaks by looking back at the “your reply” window after looking at the preview.


531 posted on 10/05/2014 7:06:34 PM PDT by Rides_A_Red_Horse (Why do you need a fire extinguisher when you can call the fire department?)
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To: Rides_A_Red_Horse
How about a bear on a unicycle? ;-)

LOL. No, I'm not much of one for that.

But as for html, I don't necessarily edit the html directly. It's all visual, just like working in Word, but it renders it in clean, lightweight, FR-compatible html, which I can then tweak if I absolutely have to. It's quite liberating. I highly recommend it.

532 posted on 10/05/2014 7:08:27 PM PDT by Springfield Reformer (Winston Churchill: No Peace Till Victory!)
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To: Springfield Reformer

Is it on a website or is it something you download?


533 posted on 10/05/2014 7:10:02 PM PDT by Rides_A_Red_Horse (Why do you need a fire extinguisher when you can call the fire department?)
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To: Rides_A_Red_Horse; narses; All
Stop making this thread "about" individual posters.

Rides_A_Red_Horse, your post 433 contains the accusation at the root of this outrage.

narses, the statement was expressing her mind ("you sound exactly like...") it was not reading yours.

Nevertheless, it was making the thread "about" another Freeper personally and was therefore a form of "making it personal." And this entire sidebar continues in that error keeping the discussion away from the issues and centered instead on claims of indignation.

Discuss the ISSUES all you want, but do not make it personal. Discuss the MESSAGE, not the messenger. No ad hominems.

Also complaints about groups of believers are not "making it personal." For instance, "Baptists are heretics" is not making it personal whereas "You are a heretic" is making it personal.

That said, repeated childish insults and allusions (e.g. Godwin's law comparisons) even when addressed to a group of believers (e.g. they are mouth breathers) - serve no purpose other than to incite flame wars. Any such post may be pulled for trouble-making.

534 posted on 10/05/2014 7:17:09 PM PDT by Religion Moderator
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To: Rides_A_Red_Horse

http://www.kompozer.net/download.php


535 posted on 10/05/2014 7:21:11 PM PDT by Springfield Reformer (Winston Churchill: No Peace Till Victory!)
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To: metmom

Hey! I was thinking this exact same thing while showering tonight and planned to post it. I believe you are right.


536 posted on 10/05/2014 7:26:07 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: editor-surveyor
* The original Hebrew Matthew said "He," not "they."

Unless you post a link to the version of Scripture you want to claim as canonical and proof that it is canonical, please do not claim there are errors in the version of Scripture we have.

Concerning the list of woes, this reads more like a condemnation of behavior and priorities. Since the Pharisees were well known for believing that there was an Oral Torah, I would expect a very clear condemnation of that belief. Back to the Woes, I suggest you google the 7 types of Pharisees if you are interested in the Pharisaic view of the Pharisees. Here is one resource. The 5 bad types of Pharisees are very easy for a lot of Christians to fall into. Nicodemus and Gamaliel were Pharisees.

Concerning call no man father:
There are repeated references to Apostles addressing people as little children, e.g., "My little Children" (1Jn2:1). Since all the Apostles are men, they are calling themselves the fathers of those individuals.

Concerning sitting on Moses seat:
Since the Pharisees hold that there is and Oral and a Written Torah, it would be very odd to say they sit on Moses' seat if Jesus condemns their belief that God gave Moses two Torahs.



Concerning Matthew 15:
Jesus' specific condemnation is over them permitting someone to honor the Temple above their father and mother. There was a dispute in Pharisaic Judaism over whether this was permitted (Tractate Nedarim 9). The conclusion of this reasoning is that something dedicated to the Temple is dedicated to God. Honoring father and mother are not necessarily. Interesting to note, is that Jesus does not respond to their initial inquiry about the hand washing ritual. He ignores it. The parallel passage in Mark 7, has some of his disciples observing it and some not observing it.

However, this connects back to the other passage. First, what is the hand washing ritual? It is a ritual in Pharisaic Judaism involving washing hands because certain things imparted a minor ritual impurity on someone. Major ritual impurities required bathing in a Mikveh. Second, what does he say in Matthew 23 about washing? He criticizes the Pharisees for worrying about washing the outside rather than the inside. He does not criticize them for ritual washing. Back to Matt. 15, Jesus states that it is what comes out of the mouth, not what goes into the mouth, that defiles the body. So what does wash and how do we wash, the inside of the body? Rev 7:14 states that the blood of the Lamb washes. Specifically it says robes; however, I am uncertain what clothes represent in Revelation. It would appear that to wash the insides of our bodies, we need to drink the Blood of the Lamb. Rev. 7 also uses the active not passive; it says the people present washed, not were washed.

This would appear to be a significant fraction of the Catholic Eucharist. An objection that I have seen to the Eucharist is the lack of mention in John. If the Eucharist were as important as Catholics say it is, why is the institution left out of John?

There are a couple answers. The first is that it actually is not important. My answer is that it is in John, but not where we expect it to be. Instead it is at the beginning of John (ch. 2). In this scene Jesus takes water from the jugs used for ritual washing and converts it into wine and then has the steward of the feast taste it. The steward's response is that this is the best wine. So he has taken water used to wash the outside of someone and turned it into wine so it would wash the insides.

How do we get to the Eucharist? At the last supper, Jesus turns wine into his blood and then commands his Apostles to drink it.



To summarize, Jesus criticizes the Pharisees for washing the outside not the inside. By this point, he had transformed the hand-washing ritual into a wine drinking ritual (which would wash the insides). At the very end of his ministry he transforms it into a blood drinking ritual. After his resurrection, he shows to John that his blood washes.
537 posted on 10/05/2014 7:26:09 PM PDT by ronnietherocket3 (Mary is understood by the heart, not study of scripture.)
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To: boatbums

GMTA.


538 posted on 10/05/2014 7:29:06 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: Rides_A_Red_Horse
Your wish is my command! ;o)

Or...how 'bout


539 posted on 10/05/2014 7:30:55 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: Religion Moderator

“Any such post may be pulled for trouble-making.”

But 506, 515, 516, 519, and 521, all of which contain childish insults that serve no purpose other than to incite flame wars, pass without comment.


540 posted on 10/05/2014 7:32:21 PM PDT by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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