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Protecting God’s Word From “Bible Christians”
Crisis Magazine ^ | October 3, 2014 | RICHARD BECKER

Posted on 10/03/2014 2:33:43 PM PDT by NYer

Holy Bible graphic

“Stand firm and hold fast to the traditions that you were taught,
either by an oral statement or by a letter of ours.”
~ St. Paul to the Thessalonians

A former student of mine is thinking of becoming a Catholic, and she had a question for me. “I don’t understand the deuterocanonical books,” she ventured. “If the Catholic faith is supposed to be a fulfillment of the Jewish faith, why do Catholics accept those books and the Jews don’t?” She’d done her homework, and was troubled that the seven books and other writings of the deuterocanon had been preserved only in Greek instead of Hebrew like the rest of the Jewish scriptures—which is part of the reason why they were classified, even by Catholics, as a “second” (deutero) canon.

My student went on. “I’m just struggling because there are a lot of references to those books in Church doctrine, but they aren’t considered inspired Scripture. Why did Luther feel those books needed to be taken out?” she asked. “And why are Protestants so against them?”

The short answer sounds petty and mean, but it’s true nonetheless: Luther jettisoned those “extra” Old Testament books—Tobit, Sirach, 1 and 2 Maccabees, and the like—because they were inconvenient. The Apocrypha (or, “false writings”), as they came to be known, supported pesky Catholic doctrines that Luther and other reformers wanted to suppress—praying for the dead, for instance, and the intercession of the saints. Here’s John Calvin on the subject:

Add to this, that they provide themselves with new supports when they give full authority to the Apocryphal books. Out of the second of the Maccabees they will prove Purgatory and the worship of saints; out of Tobit satisfactions, exorcisms, and what not. From Ecclesiasticus they will borrow not a little. For from whence could they better draw their dregs?

However, the deuterocanonical literature was (and is) prominent in the liturgy and very familiar to that first generation of Protestant converts, so Luther and company couldn’t very well ignore it altogether. Consequently, those seven “apocryphal” books, along with the Greek portions of Esther and Daniel, were relegated to an appendix in early Protestant translations of the Bible.

Eventually, in the nineteenth century sometime, many Protestant Bible publishers starting dropping the appendix altogether, and the modern translations used by most evangelicals today don’t even reference the Apocrypha at all. Thus, the myth is perpetuated that nefarious popes and bishops have gotten away with brazenly foisting a bunch of bogus scripture on the ignorant Catholic masses.

Nothing could be further from the truth.

To begin with, it was Luther and Calvin and the other reformers who did all the foisting. The Old Testament that Christians had been using for 1,500 years had always included the so-called Apocrypha, and there was never a question as to its canonicity. Thus, by selectively editing and streamlining their own versions of the Bible according to their sectarian biases (including, in Luther’s case, both Testaments, Old and New), the reformers engaged in a theological con game. To make matters worse, they covered their tracks by pointing fingers at the Catholic Church for “adding” phony texts to the closed canon of Hebrew Sacred Writ.

In this sense, the reformers were anticipating what I call the Twain-Jefferson approach to canonical revisionism. It involves two simple steps.

The reformers justified their Twain-Jefferson humbug by pointing to the canon of scriptures in use by European Jews during that time, and it did not include those extra Catholic books—case closed! Still unconvinced? Today’s defenders of the reformers’ biblical reshaping will then proceed to throw around historical precedent and references to the first-century Council of Jamnia, but it’s all really smoke and mirrors.

The fact is that the first-century Jewish canon was pretty mutable and there was no universal definitive list of sacred texts. On the other hand, it is indisputable that the version being used by Jesus and the Apostles during that time was the Septuagint—the Greek version of the Hebrew scriptures that included Luther’s rejected apocryphal books. SCORE: Deuterocanon – 1; Twain-Jefferson Revisionism – 0.

But this is all beside the point. It’s like an argument about creationism vs. evolution that gets funneled in the direction of whether dinosaurs could’ve been on board Noah’s Ark. Once you’re arguing about that, you’re no longer arguing about the bigger issue of the historicity of those early chapters in Genesis. The parallel red herring here is arguing over the content of the Christian Old Testament canon instead of considering the nature of authority itself and how it’s supposed to work in the Church, especially with regards to the Bible.

I mean, even if we can settle what the canon should include, we don’t have the autographs (original documents) from any biblical books anyway. While we affirm the Church’s teaching that all Scripture is inspired and teaches “solidly, faithfully and without error that truth which God wanted put into sacred writings” (DV 11), there are no absolutes when it comes to the precise content of the Bible.

Can there be any doubt that this is by God’s design? Without the autographs, we are much less tempted to worship a static book instead of the One it reveals to us. Even so, it’s true that we are still encouraged to venerate the Scriptures, but we worship the incarnate Word—and we ought not confuse the two. John the Baptist said as much when he painstakingly distinguished between himself, the announcer, and the actual Christ he was announcing. The Catechism, quoting St. Bernard, offers a further helpful distinction:

The Christian faith is not a “religion of the book.” Christianity is the religion of the “Word” of God, a word which is “not a written and mute word, but the Word is incarnate and living.”

Anyway, with regards to authority and the canon of Scripture, Mark Shea couldn’t have put it more succinctly than his recent response to a request for a summary of why the deuterocanon should be included in the Bible:

Because the Church in union with Peter, the pillar and ground of the truth (1 Timothy 3:15) granted authority by Christ to loose and bind (Matthew 16:19), says they should be.

Right. The Church says so, and that’s good enough.

For it’s the Church who gives us the Scriptures. It’s the Church who preserves the Scriptures and tells us to turn to them. It’s the Church who bathes us in the Scriptures with the liturgy, day in and day out, constantly watering our souls with God’s Word. Isn’t it a bit bizarre to be challenging the Church with regards to which Scriptures she’s feeding us with? “No, mother,” the infant cries, “not breast milk! I want Ovaltine! Better yet, how about some Sprite!”

Think of it this way. My daughter Margaret and I share an intense devotion to Betty Smith’s remarkable novel, A Tree Grows in Brooklyn. It’s a bittersweet family tale of impoverishment, tragedy, and perseverance, and we often remark how curious it is that Smith’s epic story receives so little attention.

I was rooting around the sale shelf at the public library one day, and I happened upon a paperback with the name “Betty Smith” on the spine. I took a closer look: Joy in the Morning, a 1963 novel of romance and the struggles of newlyweds, and it was indeed by the same Smith of Tree fame. I snatched it up for Meg.

The other day, Meg thanked me for the book, and asked me to be on the lookout for others by Smith. “It wasn’t nearly as good as Tree,” she said, “and I don’t expect any of her others to be as good. But I want to read everything she wrote because Tree was so wonderful.”

See, she wants to get to know Betty Smith because of what she encountered in A Tree Grows in Brooklyn. And all we have are her books and other writings; Betty Smith herself is gone.

But Jesus isn’t like that. We have the book, yes, but we have more. We still have the Word himself.



TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; Evangelical Christian; Theology
KEYWORDS: apocrypha; bible; calvin; christians; herewegoagain; luther
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To: boatbums; Religion Moderator

This. Why are you trying to make this about me?


501 posted on 10/05/2014 6:10:18 PM PDT by narses ( For the Son of man shall come ... and then will he render to every man according to his works.)
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To: boatbums

This. Why are you trying to make this about me?


502 posted on 10/05/2014 6:14:50 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: narses

This. Why are you trying to make this about me?


503 posted on 10/05/2014 6:15:11 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: narses; Religion Moderator
Narses - Really? You claim the Church taught you Mary is God?

Me - You sound exactly like a cetain serpent in a garden. Go back and read your questions and my answers. You asked if the church taught Mary was “God or even a god.”

Narses - You sound EXACTLY like a CERTAIN SERPENT in a garden. Seems a bit over the line, no?

Narses - Making things personal, like claiming I am exactly like Satan would be against the rules. But you knew that, right?

Me - Did someone truly state “You are exactly like Satan” with those exact words, Narses?

Narses - Still trying to make this about me instead of admitting you cannot answer “yes” to that simple question? Why?


I said you “sounded” like the serpent. So when did it become “You are exaclty like...?” I followed the thread and you seem to claim people are posting things they haven't posted in an attempt to have them suspended and/or banned.

Following your “creative quoting” on this thread doesn't support your complaint.

I won't “mind-read” so I've got to ask, why would you do this? Initially, I commented that your line of questioning shared traits of Satan's discourse with Eve, an observation which was arguably accurate.

RM - If I was out of line it was not intentional. I'll leave you to judge Narses.

504 posted on 10/05/2014 6:15:53 PM PDT by Rides_A_Red_Horse (Why do you need a fire extinguisher when you can call the fire department?)
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To: boatbums; Religion Moderator

See 501 and 503. Please advise.


505 posted on 10/05/2014 6:16:09 PM PDT by narses ( For the Son of man shall come ... and then will he render to every man according to his works.)
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To: Rides_A_Red_Horse; Religion Moderator; ConservingFreedom; Unam Sanctam; x_plus_one; ...
In the Religion forum, on a thread titled Protecting God’s Word From “Bible Christians”, Rides_A_Red_Horse wrote:

Initially, I commented that your line of questioning shared traits of Satan's discourse with Eve, an observation which was arguably accurate.

Nope.

You said, and I quote:

"You sound EXACTLY like a CERTAIN SERPENT in a garden."

506 posted on 10/05/2014 6:19:49 PM PDT by narses ( For the Son of man shall come ... and then will he render to every man according to his works.)
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To: narses; Springfield Reformer

Sure it does. God is God. Mary is NOT God. See?


Then simply post -

Jesus is sufficient for Salvation. I, Narses, do not need a co-redemtrix. Jesus is all I need to enter Heaven.


507 posted on 10/05/2014 6:20:19 PM PDT by Rides_A_Red_Horse (Why do you need a fire extinguisher when you can call the fire department?)
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To: Springfield Reformer
Well stated. I think you nailed it on this question. Though I already suspect it will be rejected by the contingent that presumes it represents ALL Catholics, you explained in a non-hostile way the primary reason why not-Catholic Christians reject many of the Marian dogmas invented by the Roman Catholic church and mandated to be believed by ALL Christendom. We can and do certainly honor her, call her blessed and appreciate her faithfulness and role God had for her since before the world began, without the excesses that take away from all the glory that is God's alone.
508 posted on 10/05/2014 6:23:00 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: Rides_A_Red_Horse

Sure it does. God is God. Mary is NOT God. See?

Then simply post -

I was never taught Mary is God.


509 posted on 10/05/2014 6:23:20 PM PDT by narses ( For the Son of man shall come ... and then will he render to every man according to his works.)
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To: narses

Is it taught that Mary is the Co-redemtrix of the universe?


510 posted on 10/05/2014 6:24:31 PM PDT by Texas Songwriter (con)
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To: narses
Whatsamatter? snicker
511 posted on 10/05/2014 6:28:46 PM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: narses
Try not to think. It isn’t really your strong suit.

This. Why are you trying to make this about me?

Do you understand the concept of not making things PERSONAL???

512 posted on 10/05/2014 6:29:37 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: narses; Religion Moderator
You said -

"You said, and I quote:

'You sound EXACTLY like a CERTAIN SERPENT in a garden.'"

Later, you pinged the RM saying -

Making things personal, like claiming I am exactly like Satan would be against the rules. But you knew that, right?

Why not take a week off to get your story straight.

At no time did I say you were "exactly like Satan."

RM - Narses appears to be provoking others in an attempt to get them banned. Is it "over the line" for me to point out behavior?

Narses - Give it a rest. Anyone can go back and read our posts and come to the same conclusion. It's embarassing!

513 posted on 10/05/2014 6:30:13 PM PDT by Rides_A_Red_Horse (Why do you need a fire extinguisher when you can call the fire department?)
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To: narses
You're not getting out of this that easily.

Copy and paste the text below or I'll simply assume you don't see Jesus as sufficient. Do you really want to deny Him before the Earth? I wager you won't do it.

Jesus is sufficient for Salvation. I, Narses, do not need a co-redemtrix. Jesus is all I need to enter Heaven.

514 posted on 10/05/2014 6:33:12 PM PDT by Rides_A_Red_Horse (Why do you need a fire extinguisher when you can call the fire department?)
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To: narses
Papist propaganda quote worthy of the National Enquirer. Or Pravda. Totally out of context.

Here is something that Luther actually said.

“Be they called holy, learned, fathers, councils, or any other name, even though they were Mary, Joseph and all the saints it does not follow that they could not have erred and made mistakes. For here you learn that the mother of Christ though she possessed great intelligence and enlightenment, showed great ignorance in that she did not know where to find Christ, and in consequence was censured by him because she did not know what she should have known. If she failed and through her ignorance was brought to such anxiety and sorrow that she thought she had lost Christ, is it a wonder that other saints should often have erred and stumbled, when they followed their own notions, without the guidance of Scripture, or put their own notions into Scripture.”

Here is an actual quote, not Papist fantasy and misrepresentation.

515 posted on 10/05/2014 6:35:32 PM PDT by Gamecock
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To: Rides_A_Red_Horse
Jesus answered, “How could you be so wrong? It’s because you don’t know what the Scriptures say.

Which is the key in everything here.

It's amazing how many college and seminary trained so-called *intellectuals* have such an abysmal knowledge and grasp of Scripture.

They've educated themselves into spiritual imbecility and blindness.

516 posted on 10/05/2014 6:36:13 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: narses

Will you deny Jesus is sufficient? Weren’t you taught about “Sins of Ommission?”

What happens if you deny Christ? Jesus paid for your sins and the sins of all. If you deny Him you deny His gift of salvation.

Mary will not save you.


517 posted on 10/05/2014 6:38:23 PM PDT by Rides_A_Red_Horse (Why do you need a fire extinguisher when you can call the fire department?)
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To: metmom

It took some research and “trial and error” but I figured out how to do italics!

Cool, right?


518 posted on 10/05/2014 6:39:37 PM PDT by Rides_A_Red_Horse (Why do you need a fire extinguisher when you can call the fire department?)
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To: Rides_A_Red_Horse; boatbums; CynicalBear

I have noticed how this thread is escalating in the vehemence against the non-Catholics here.

The tactic that I see at work here is that the FRoman Catholics are taking a beating and are now pushing the RF guidelines, hoping to get the thread locked of pulled for *flame war* or *childish behavior*.

Happens all the time when they’ve losing badly.

Keep up the good work. Wise as serpents, innocent as doves.

Just don’t nosedive to their level of debate.


519 posted on 10/05/2014 6:44:46 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: Rides_A_Red_Horse; metmom

I’ve gone to using an html editor for my posts, especially the bigger ones. Saves a lot of time and gives you full visual control. Color, bolding, block quotes, italics, links, images, etc. But I don’t do photo-shopped cereal boxes. So many reasons not to ... :)


520 posted on 10/05/2014 6:48:00 PM PDT by Springfield Reformer (Winston Churchill: No Peace Till Victory!)
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