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Protecting God’s Word From “Bible Christians”
Crisis Magazine ^ | October 3, 2014 | RICHARD BECKER

Posted on 10/03/2014 2:33:43 PM PDT by NYer

Holy Bible graphic

“Stand firm and hold fast to the traditions that you were taught,
either by an oral statement or by a letter of ours.”
~ St. Paul to the Thessalonians

A former student of mine is thinking of becoming a Catholic, and she had a question for me. “I don’t understand the deuterocanonical books,” she ventured. “If the Catholic faith is supposed to be a fulfillment of the Jewish faith, why do Catholics accept those books and the Jews don’t?” She’d done her homework, and was troubled that the seven books and other writings of the deuterocanon had been preserved only in Greek instead of Hebrew like the rest of the Jewish scriptures—which is part of the reason why they were classified, even by Catholics, as a “second” (deutero) canon.

My student went on. “I’m just struggling because there are a lot of references to those books in Church doctrine, but they aren’t considered inspired Scripture. Why did Luther feel those books needed to be taken out?” she asked. “And why are Protestants so against them?”

The short answer sounds petty and mean, but it’s true nonetheless: Luther jettisoned those “extra” Old Testament books—Tobit, Sirach, 1 and 2 Maccabees, and the like—because they were inconvenient. The Apocrypha (or, “false writings”), as they came to be known, supported pesky Catholic doctrines that Luther and other reformers wanted to suppress—praying for the dead, for instance, and the intercession of the saints. Here’s John Calvin on the subject:

Add to this, that they provide themselves with new supports when they give full authority to the Apocryphal books. Out of the second of the Maccabees they will prove Purgatory and the worship of saints; out of Tobit satisfactions, exorcisms, and what not. From Ecclesiasticus they will borrow not a little. For from whence could they better draw their dregs?

However, the deuterocanonical literature was (and is) prominent in the liturgy and very familiar to that first generation of Protestant converts, so Luther and company couldn’t very well ignore it altogether. Consequently, those seven “apocryphal” books, along with the Greek portions of Esther and Daniel, were relegated to an appendix in early Protestant translations of the Bible.

Eventually, in the nineteenth century sometime, many Protestant Bible publishers starting dropping the appendix altogether, and the modern translations used by most evangelicals today don’t even reference the Apocrypha at all. Thus, the myth is perpetuated that nefarious popes and bishops have gotten away with brazenly foisting a bunch of bogus scripture on the ignorant Catholic masses.

Nothing could be further from the truth.

To begin with, it was Luther and Calvin and the other reformers who did all the foisting. The Old Testament that Christians had been using for 1,500 years had always included the so-called Apocrypha, and there was never a question as to its canonicity. Thus, by selectively editing and streamlining their own versions of the Bible according to their sectarian biases (including, in Luther’s case, both Testaments, Old and New), the reformers engaged in a theological con game. To make matters worse, they covered their tracks by pointing fingers at the Catholic Church for “adding” phony texts to the closed canon of Hebrew Sacred Writ.

In this sense, the reformers were anticipating what I call the Twain-Jefferson approach to canonical revisionism. It involves two simple steps.

The reformers justified their Twain-Jefferson humbug by pointing to the canon of scriptures in use by European Jews during that time, and it did not include those extra Catholic books—case closed! Still unconvinced? Today’s defenders of the reformers’ biblical reshaping will then proceed to throw around historical precedent and references to the first-century Council of Jamnia, but it’s all really smoke and mirrors.

The fact is that the first-century Jewish canon was pretty mutable and there was no universal definitive list of sacred texts. On the other hand, it is indisputable that the version being used by Jesus and the Apostles during that time was the Septuagint—the Greek version of the Hebrew scriptures that included Luther’s rejected apocryphal books. SCORE: Deuterocanon – 1; Twain-Jefferson Revisionism – 0.

But this is all beside the point. It’s like an argument about creationism vs. evolution that gets funneled in the direction of whether dinosaurs could’ve been on board Noah’s Ark. Once you’re arguing about that, you’re no longer arguing about the bigger issue of the historicity of those early chapters in Genesis. The parallel red herring here is arguing over the content of the Christian Old Testament canon instead of considering the nature of authority itself and how it’s supposed to work in the Church, especially with regards to the Bible.

I mean, even if we can settle what the canon should include, we don’t have the autographs (original documents) from any biblical books anyway. While we affirm the Church’s teaching that all Scripture is inspired and teaches “solidly, faithfully and without error that truth which God wanted put into sacred writings” (DV 11), there are no absolutes when it comes to the precise content of the Bible.

Can there be any doubt that this is by God’s design? Without the autographs, we are much less tempted to worship a static book instead of the One it reveals to us. Even so, it’s true that we are still encouraged to venerate the Scriptures, but we worship the incarnate Word—and we ought not confuse the two. John the Baptist said as much when he painstakingly distinguished between himself, the announcer, and the actual Christ he was announcing. The Catechism, quoting St. Bernard, offers a further helpful distinction:

The Christian faith is not a “religion of the book.” Christianity is the religion of the “Word” of God, a word which is “not a written and mute word, but the Word is incarnate and living.”

Anyway, with regards to authority and the canon of Scripture, Mark Shea couldn’t have put it more succinctly than his recent response to a request for a summary of why the deuterocanon should be included in the Bible:

Because the Church in union with Peter, the pillar and ground of the truth (1 Timothy 3:15) granted authority by Christ to loose and bind (Matthew 16:19), says they should be.

Right. The Church says so, and that’s good enough.

For it’s the Church who gives us the Scriptures. It’s the Church who preserves the Scriptures and tells us to turn to them. It’s the Church who bathes us in the Scriptures with the liturgy, day in and day out, constantly watering our souls with God’s Word. Isn’t it a bit bizarre to be challenging the Church with regards to which Scriptures she’s feeding us with? “No, mother,” the infant cries, “not breast milk! I want Ovaltine! Better yet, how about some Sprite!”

Think of it this way. My daughter Margaret and I share an intense devotion to Betty Smith’s remarkable novel, A Tree Grows in Brooklyn. It’s a bittersweet family tale of impoverishment, tragedy, and perseverance, and we often remark how curious it is that Smith’s epic story receives so little attention.

I was rooting around the sale shelf at the public library one day, and I happened upon a paperback with the name “Betty Smith” on the spine. I took a closer look: Joy in the Morning, a 1963 novel of romance and the struggles of newlyweds, and it was indeed by the same Smith of Tree fame. I snatched it up for Meg.

The other day, Meg thanked me for the book, and asked me to be on the lookout for others by Smith. “It wasn’t nearly as good as Tree,” she said, “and I don’t expect any of her others to be as good. But I want to read everything she wrote because Tree was so wonderful.”

See, she wants to get to know Betty Smith because of what she encountered in A Tree Grows in Brooklyn. And all we have are her books and other writings; Betty Smith herself is gone.

But Jesus isn’t like that. We have the book, yes, but we have more. We still have the Word himself.



TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; Evangelical Christian; Theology
KEYWORDS: apocrypha; bible; calvin; christians; herewegoagain; luther
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To: verga; boatbums
bb:I don't feel badly at all throwing your errors back at you. Do you understand that when Jesus said, "It is finished.", he was speaking of making complete propitiation for the sins of the world?

verga:Before saying ridiculous things like this you need to poll the rest of the prot posse. Because that is word for word what they have said previously.

Do tell then. Just what did Jesus mean by *It is finished* if not the work of salvation for mankind? What was finished?

441 posted on 10/05/2014 4:06:09 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: Rides_A_Red_Horse
>>Keep your traditions, rituals and man made-Pharisitical laws. I'll follow Jesus.<<

Amen and Amen!!

442 posted on 10/05/2014 4:07:15 PM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: editor-surveyor

I noticed you never answered about the meaning of the prefix “co.” That is okay Christians know what it means.


443 posted on 10/05/2014 4:07:19 PM PDT by verga (Conservative, leaning libertarian)
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To: Rides_A_Red_Horse

Based on how Catholics are obsessed with suffering and how God wants us to suffer and how we are to offer up our suffering to Him for whatever reason it is that none of them can ever make clear, their God is a cruel God.


445 posted on 10/05/2014 4:08:00 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: narses

Don’t have a wife. Do you?


446 posted on 10/05/2014 4:08:20 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: annalex

>> ““all scripture” means all scripture known to hellenized Jews at the time.” <<

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There have never been any “helenized” Jews living in the land of Caanan.

There were Greek speaking Jews in Egypt, and in the Greek isles, but that was simply because it was the majority language in those locations at the time. That has never been true of Caanan, as you can easily determine by reading the first two books of the Maccabees.

All things Greek were hated and rejected by Judah, even unto death.
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447 posted on 10/05/2014 4:08:25 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: metmom
Do tell then. Just what did Jesus mean by *It is finished* if not the work of salvation for mankind? What was finished? P>Please feel free to repost the ridiculous claims you made previously. I wouldn't want to give you the chance to whine about cross posting.
448 posted on 10/05/2014 4:08:59 PM PDT by verga (Conservative, leaning libertarian)
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To: sasportas

Thanks for your kind words. Some times if feels like we’re throwing bricks into the grand canyon...


449 posted on 10/05/2014 4:09:59 PM PDT by Rides_A_Red_Horse (Why do you need a fire extinguisher when you can call the fire department?)
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To: Rides_A_Red_Horse; vladimir998; CynicalBear

>> “Do you deny the Gospels of Mark, Matthew, Luke and John?” <<

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Vlad is just shoving standard catholic agitprop at us.
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450 posted on 10/05/2014 4:10:43 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: Rides_A_Red_Horse

The duplicity of Catholic thought is stunning.


451 posted on 10/05/2014 4:11:19 PM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas
I'm still waiting for someone to find something about "worshipping Mary" in the Catechism.

Actions speak louder than words and talk is cheap.

Probably the only reason that the RCC leaves all that in the CCC is to that when challenged, they can deny the patently obvious by stating that it's not part of their official belief system because it's *not in the catechism*.

It's an easy out to deny on a technicality what everyone sees them do in practice.

God cares about what we DO more than what we SAY.

452 posted on 10/05/2014 4:11:28 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: verga
Because we can red the Bible. You might consider trying that some time.

My Bible already has red in it.

All the words of Jesus are printed in red.

454 posted on 10/05/2014 4:13:27 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: editor-surveyor; CynicalBear; verga; boatbums; metmom; Salvation; narses

Which could only be due to their lack of understanding of wherein James Faith was based.


If someone is truly saved they will have the Spirit of God. Then their works will demonstrate they are filled with the Spirit by their fruit.

Galatians 5:22-23

But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law.


455 posted on 10/05/2014 4:13:29 PM PDT by Rides_A_Red_Horse (Why do you need a fire extinguisher when you can call the fire department?)
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To: verga
Luke 18:9-14 He also told this parable to some who trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and treated others with contempt: “Two men went up into the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector. The Pharisee, standing by himself, prayed thus: ‘God, I thank you that I am not like other men, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even like this tax collector. I fast twice a week; I give tithes of all that I get.’

But the tax collector, standing far off, would not even lift up his eyes to heaven, but beat his breast, saying, ‘God, be merciful to me, a sinner!’ I tell you, this man went down to his house justified, rather than the other. For everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, but the one who humbles himself will be exalted.”

456 posted on 10/05/2014 4:14:40 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas; CynicalBear

>> “I’m still waiting for someone to find something about “worshiping Mary” in the Catechism.” <<

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Freerepublic is still waiting for evidence of catholics that actually live by the catechism!
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457 posted on 10/05/2014 4:14:46 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: Rides_A_Red_Horse
This is what the RCC thinks about Mary.

From the Catechism of the Catholic church....

http://www.vatican.va/archive/catechism/p123a9p6.htm

969 “This motherhood of Mary in the order of grace continues uninterruptedly from the consent which she loyally gave at the Annunciation and which she sustained without wavering beneath the cross, until the eternal fulfillment of all the elect. Taken up to heaven she did not lay aside this saving office but by her manifold intercession continues to bring us the gifts of eternal salvation .... Therefore the Blessed Virgin is invoked in the Church under the titles of Advocate, Helper, Benefactress, and Mediatrix.”510

Names of God from the Bible. Compare them to the names given to Mary in the above prayer.

Jesus

Hope (our) - 1 Timothy 1:1

Counselor - Isaiah 9:6

Advocate - 1 John 2:1

Mediator - 1 Timothy 2:5, Hebrews 9:15, Hebrews 12:24

Holy Spirit

Comforter - John 14:26

Helper – John 14:16

This is worship of Mary if ever there was.....Attributing to her the attributes of God is idolatry.

458 posted on 10/05/2014 4:17:10 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: verga

I didn’t think you could answer.


459 posted on 10/05/2014 4:20:35 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: metmom

Based on how Catholics are obsessed with suffering and how God wants us to suffer and how we are to offer up our suffering to Him for whatever reason it is that none of them can ever make clear, their God is a cruel God.


I recall reading in “Pilgrim’s Progress” about people not being able to “get past” the cross. Once “Christian” made it past the cross his “burden” fell from his back.

They don’t feel worthy of His sacrifice, and they’re not. He didn’t take on our sins and punishment because “we’re worthy,” He did it because He’s awesome and He loves us even though we aren’t particularly lovable.

The biggest insult to Jesus is the belief we need further “purging” to remove our sinful nature so we are “purified.” It’s like someone has prepared the most incredible feast and you bring along a pizza because “that’s great but it’s not enough to get the job done.”


460 posted on 10/05/2014 4:20:35 PM PDT by Rides_A_Red_Horse (Why do you need a fire extinguisher when you can call the fire department?)
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