What?
You wuz expectin' a box of WINE?
Posted on 10/03/2014 2:33:43 PM PDT by NYer
Are ALL Catholics this smug and selfassured?
Galatians 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
Then please provide an infallible source that shows the apostles taught the assumption of Mary. If you can't we must believe as scripture states.
I hate to toss out the yellow CONTEXT foul flag; but... here it is:
Matthew 18:15-17 “Moreover, if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone. If he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother.
But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that ‘in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.’
And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church; but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as a heathen man and a publican.
Do you REALLY want to try to use this verse to JUSTIFY obeying YOUR chosen religion??
“Then please provide an infallible source that shows the apostles taught the assumption of Mary. If you can’t we must believe as scripture states.”
Then please provide a verse from scripture alone that shows Matthew’s gospel is inspired. If you can’t, we must rely on what the Church states.
Pope Stephen VI (896–897), who had his predecessor Pope Formosus exhumed, tried, de-fingered, briefly reburied, and thrown in the Tiber.[1]
Pope John XII (955–964), who gave land to a mistress, murdered several people, and was killed by a man who caught him in bed with his wife.
Pope Benedict IX (1032–1044, 1045, 1047–1048), who "sold" the Papacy
Pope Boniface VIII (1294–1303), who is lampooned in Dante's Divine Comedy
Pope Urban VI (1378–1389), who complained that he did not hear enough screaming when Cardinals who had conspired against him were tortured.[2]
Pope Alexander VI (1492–1503), a Borgia, who was guilty of nepotism and whose unattended corpse swelled until it could barely fit in a coffin.[3]
Pope Leo X (1513–1521), a spendthrift member of the Medici family who once spent 1/7 of his predecessors' reserves on a single ceremony[4]
Pope Clement VII (1523–1534), also a Medici, whose power-politicking with France, Spain, and Germany got Rome sacked.
...exercise discernment.
Good points.
We have ALL the New Testament books in Hebrew today as translations but there is no concrete evidence that they were originally written in that language. Jews in Palestine spoke Koine Greek because it was the common tongue (lingua franca) at that time. For two hundred years before Christ was born, the Old Testament had already been translated in Greek especially for that reason.
The argument ES keeps trying to make is that Christians have somehow been cheated out of knowing what the Christian New Testament books originally said, but we HAVE manuscript copies IN Greek that can be dated as early as the second and third centuries (i.e.; Chester Beatty Papyri) and they are accurate. I reject the idea that God was somehow thwarted by fallible humans in preserving and protecting His holy word. What the Bible tells us today is no different than what the first Christians were taught. To insist that isn't true is just another attempt to cast doubt upon the Word of God.
The Church based in Rome:
...from thy infancy thou hast known the holy scriptures (as explained by the CC), as well as our church TRADITIONS, which can instruct thee to CONFIRMATION, by the faith which is in Christ Jesus' Mother; Mary:Queen of Heaven and Co-Redemtrix.
If you can’t show the apostles taught the assumption of Mary and thus the Catholic Church is accursed just say so. Don’t keep dancing around.
I guess it's hard for some people to see how they come across. Some people don't even realize that they're name-calling.
Thus Satanic in origin.
Wishful thinking isn't proof. All of the gospels were written mid to late FIRST century, were copied, distributed, read and studied by the early Christians. The word "catholic", meaning "of the whole" or "universal" wasn't even used as an adjective to describe the Christian faith until the SECOND century.
The earliest recorded evidence of the use of the term "Catholic Church" is the Letter to the Smyrnaeans that Ignatius of Antioch wrote in about 107 to Christians in Smyrna. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_term_%22Catholic%22)
I know that Roman Catholics think they are the ORIGINAL Christians and that they OWN the word "catholic" or even Christian, but they are wrong. Those who know Jesus as Savior and Lord are part of His church, his bride, His spiritual house, no matter what "church" they choose to worship together in.
“If you can’t show the apostles taught the assumption of Mary and thus the Catholic Church is accursed just say so. Don’t keep dancing around.”
If you can’t show the apostles taught Matthew’s gospel is inspired and thus all Christian groups are accursed for believing it according to your claim just say so. Don’t keep dancing around.
You wuz expectin' a box of WINE?
For Catholics tradition trumps Scripture.
We’ve shown them time and again verses from Scripture that demonstrate that sola Scriptura has a Scriptural base but they simply do not believe that the God breathed, Holy Spirit inspired word of God is adequate.
They’ve fallen for the lie that Satan trapped Eve with. *Did God REALLY say.....?*
Impugning the Word of God is the only weapon the enemy has and it’s amazing that He is still getting mileage out of it even today.
There is no convincing someone who doesn’t think Scripture is enough. They are so far in the depths of deception that without the Holy Spirit opening their eyes, there’s no hope for them.
Pope Stephen VI , Pope John XII , Pope Benedict IX , Pope Boniface VIII , Pope Urban VI , Pope Alexander VI , Pope Leo X , Pope Clement VII
Integrity!
Boy do we have it!!
Nothing in Scripture condemns the Protestants or the Protestant faith. For a Catholic to say so is simply to make something up and claim it's their football.
The whole discussion about cutting yourself for the dead began because someone with precious little knowledge of Scripture claimed that the Bible did not prohibit cutting oneself for the dead.
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