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Protecting God’s Word From “Bible Christians”
Crisis Magazine ^ | October 3, 2014 | RICHARD BECKER

Posted on 10/03/2014 2:33:43 PM PDT by NYer

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“Stand firm and hold fast to the traditions that you were taught,
either by an oral statement or by a letter of ours.”
~ St. Paul to the Thessalonians

A former student of mine is thinking of becoming a Catholic, and she had a question for me. “I don’t understand the deuterocanonical books,” she ventured. “If the Catholic faith is supposed to be a fulfillment of the Jewish faith, why do Catholics accept those books and the Jews don’t?” She’d done her homework, and was troubled that the seven books and other writings of the deuterocanon had been preserved only in Greek instead of Hebrew like the rest of the Jewish scriptures—which is part of the reason why they were classified, even by Catholics, as a “second” (deutero) canon.

My student went on. “I’m just struggling because there are a lot of references to those books in Church doctrine, but they aren’t considered inspired Scripture. Why did Luther feel those books needed to be taken out?” she asked. “And why are Protestants so against them?”

The short answer sounds petty and mean, but it’s true nonetheless: Luther jettisoned those “extra” Old Testament books—Tobit, Sirach, 1 and 2 Maccabees, and the like—because they were inconvenient. The Apocrypha (or, “false writings”), as they came to be known, supported pesky Catholic doctrines that Luther and other reformers wanted to suppress—praying for the dead, for instance, and the intercession of the saints. Here’s John Calvin on the subject:

Add to this, that they provide themselves with new supports when they give full authority to the Apocryphal books. Out of the second of the Maccabees they will prove Purgatory and the worship of saints; out of Tobit satisfactions, exorcisms, and what not. From Ecclesiasticus they will borrow not a little. For from whence could they better draw their dregs?

However, the deuterocanonical literature was (and is) prominent in the liturgy and very familiar to that first generation of Protestant converts, so Luther and company couldn’t very well ignore it altogether. Consequently, those seven “apocryphal” books, along with the Greek portions of Esther and Daniel, were relegated to an appendix in early Protestant translations of the Bible.

Eventually, in the nineteenth century sometime, many Protestant Bible publishers starting dropping the appendix altogether, and the modern translations used by most evangelicals today don’t even reference the Apocrypha at all. Thus, the myth is perpetuated that nefarious popes and bishops have gotten away with brazenly foisting a bunch of bogus scripture on the ignorant Catholic masses.

Nothing could be further from the truth.

To begin with, it was Luther and Calvin and the other reformers who did all the foisting. The Old Testament that Christians had been using for 1,500 years had always included the so-called Apocrypha, and there was never a question as to its canonicity. Thus, by selectively editing and streamlining their own versions of the Bible according to their sectarian biases (including, in Luther’s case, both Testaments, Old and New), the reformers engaged in a theological con game. To make matters worse, they covered their tracks by pointing fingers at the Catholic Church for “adding” phony texts to the closed canon of Hebrew Sacred Writ.

In this sense, the reformers were anticipating what I call the Twain-Jefferson approach to canonical revisionism. It involves two simple steps.

The reformers justified their Twain-Jefferson humbug by pointing to the canon of scriptures in use by European Jews during that time, and it did not include those extra Catholic books—case closed! Still unconvinced? Today’s defenders of the reformers’ biblical reshaping will then proceed to throw around historical precedent and references to the first-century Council of Jamnia, but it’s all really smoke and mirrors.

The fact is that the first-century Jewish canon was pretty mutable and there was no universal definitive list of sacred texts. On the other hand, it is indisputable that the version being used by Jesus and the Apostles during that time was the Septuagint—the Greek version of the Hebrew scriptures that included Luther’s rejected apocryphal books. SCORE: Deuterocanon – 1; Twain-Jefferson Revisionism – 0.

But this is all beside the point. It’s like an argument about creationism vs. evolution that gets funneled in the direction of whether dinosaurs could’ve been on board Noah’s Ark. Once you’re arguing about that, you’re no longer arguing about the bigger issue of the historicity of those early chapters in Genesis. The parallel red herring here is arguing over the content of the Christian Old Testament canon instead of considering the nature of authority itself and how it’s supposed to work in the Church, especially with regards to the Bible.

I mean, even if we can settle what the canon should include, we don’t have the autographs (original documents) from any biblical books anyway. While we affirm the Church’s teaching that all Scripture is inspired and teaches “solidly, faithfully and without error that truth which God wanted put into sacred writings” (DV 11), there are no absolutes when it comes to the precise content of the Bible.

Can there be any doubt that this is by God’s design? Without the autographs, we are much less tempted to worship a static book instead of the One it reveals to us. Even so, it’s true that we are still encouraged to venerate the Scriptures, but we worship the incarnate Word—and we ought not confuse the two. John the Baptist said as much when he painstakingly distinguished between himself, the announcer, and the actual Christ he was announcing. The Catechism, quoting St. Bernard, offers a further helpful distinction:

The Christian faith is not a “religion of the book.” Christianity is the religion of the “Word” of God, a word which is “not a written and mute word, but the Word is incarnate and living.”

Anyway, with regards to authority and the canon of Scripture, Mark Shea couldn’t have put it more succinctly than his recent response to a request for a summary of why the deuterocanon should be included in the Bible:

Because the Church in union with Peter, the pillar and ground of the truth (1 Timothy 3:15) granted authority by Christ to loose and bind (Matthew 16:19), says they should be.

Right. The Church says so, and that’s good enough.

For it’s the Church who gives us the Scriptures. It’s the Church who preserves the Scriptures and tells us to turn to them. It’s the Church who bathes us in the Scriptures with the liturgy, day in and day out, constantly watering our souls with God’s Word. Isn’t it a bit bizarre to be challenging the Church with regards to which Scriptures she’s feeding us with? “No, mother,” the infant cries, “not breast milk! I want Ovaltine! Better yet, how about some Sprite!”

Think of it this way. My daughter Margaret and I share an intense devotion to Betty Smith’s remarkable novel, A Tree Grows in Brooklyn. It’s a bittersweet family tale of impoverishment, tragedy, and perseverance, and we often remark how curious it is that Smith’s epic story receives so little attention.

I was rooting around the sale shelf at the public library one day, and I happened upon a paperback with the name “Betty Smith” on the spine. I took a closer look: Joy in the Morning, a 1963 novel of romance and the struggles of newlyweds, and it was indeed by the same Smith of Tree fame. I snatched it up for Meg.

The other day, Meg thanked me for the book, and asked me to be on the lookout for others by Smith. “It wasn’t nearly as good as Tree,” she said, “and I don’t expect any of her others to be as good. But I want to read everything she wrote because Tree was so wonderful.”

See, she wants to get to know Betty Smith because of what she encountered in A Tree Grows in Brooklyn. And all we have are her books and other writings; Betty Smith herself is gone.

But Jesus isn’t like that. We have the book, yes, but we have more. We still have the Word himself.



TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; Evangelical Christian; Theology
KEYWORDS: apocrypha; bible; calvin; christians; herewegoagain; luther
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To: CynicalBear

“So would you please show the “Biblical” source for the assumption of Mary?”

Sure, just as soon as you show me the “Biblical” source for sola scriptura. Oh wait, that’s right, there isn’t any.


321 posted on 10/05/2014 10:00:47 AM PDT by vladimir998
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To: Rides_A_Red_Horse

“These Catholics sound exactly like the Pharisees.”

Which Catholics?


322 posted on 10/05/2014 10:01:14 AM PDT by vladimir998
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To: CynicalBear
Actions speak louder than words

This is why when confronted with the absolute unbridled truths prots continue to bear false witness. Maybe you need to consider your actions in light of what I and other Catholics have told you is the truth.

323 posted on 10/05/2014 10:12:20 AM PDT by verga (Conservative, leaning libertarian)
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To: ronnietherocket3

Our sins are forgiven by God when we are born again.

There is no need for purification when there is forgiveness.

Jesus became sin for us that we will become the righteousness of God in Christ.

HIS righteousness is imputed to us and our sins are separated as far from us as the east is from the west.

Where there’s forgiveness, there remains no penalty for sin, nor any need to be purified from them as God has purified us in Christ.


324 posted on 10/05/2014 10:30:23 AM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: CynicalBear
I think Catholics believe you earn grace and mercy.

Problem is, if it's earned, it isn't grace.

325 posted on 10/05/2014 10:31:28 AM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: NKP_Vet
Without the Catholic Church, FOUNDED by Christ, you would have idea who Christ is. You will still be praying to the sun gods.

Wrong. God's WORD testifies to who God is.

John 5:39-40 You search the Scriptures because you think that in them you have eternal life; and it is they that bear witness about me, yet you refuse to come to me that you may have life.

Nobody needs the Catholic church to lead them to Jesus. That's the Holy Spirit's job anyway and He's more than capable of doing that without the Catholic church.

And they can learn all they need to know about Jesus through the Word, Scripture.

326 posted on 10/05/2014 10:35:51 AM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: verga
>>Catholics have told you is the truth.<<

Actions speak louder than words.

327 posted on 10/05/2014 10:36:03 AM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: metmom
>>Problem is, if it's earned, it isn't grace.<<

Oh that Catholics would understand that truth.

328 posted on 10/05/2014 10:38:09 AM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas

So what if someone made atonement for the dead on their behalf?

Someone doing something does not equate to God requiring it or even saying that it was effective.

Like most of the OT, it’s just an historical account of someone doing something.


329 posted on 10/05/2014 10:39:48 AM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: ronnietherocket3

Theology is of men.

It is a specific kind of philosophy.

Paul sternly warned the Colossians to avoid all philosophy.

If it were of the word, it would be in the word, and thus unnecessary for men to remake it.


330 posted on 10/05/2014 10:44:21 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: vladimir998
>>Sure, just as soon as you show me the “Biblical” source for sola scriptura.<<

If scripture isn't the only infallible source for what Jesus and the apostles taught shouldn't it be easy for Catholics to show another infallible source showing the apostles teaching the assumption of Mary?

Galatians 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

331 posted on 10/05/2014 10:44:55 AM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: CynicalBear

“If scripture isn’t the only infallible source for what Jesus and the apostles taught shouldn’t it be easy for Catholics to show another infallible source showing the apostles teaching the assumption of Mary?”

Oh, so you’ve already abandoned any attempt to show sola scriptura is Biblical, right? Thanks. I proved my point.


332 posted on 10/05/2014 10:50:35 AM PDT by vladimir998
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To: mrobisr

How can posting of the word, in context, especially, be twisting the word?

It is your twisting of ‘love’ that is the problem.

Those that have the Agape love that he requested do not attempt to deny his beloved Torah, the perfect law of liberty, as James described it. The change that makes us his own is the writing of Torah on our hearts. (Romans 2:14-15)

Your rhetoric defines you as an antinomian, and thus one of the lost that Yeshua denounces in Matthew 7:23.


333 posted on 10/05/2014 10:53:37 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: ronnietherocket3; daniel1212
>> “Given Jesus’ repeated interactions with the Pharisees and Pauls’ statement that he had been a disciple of Gamaliel, I would expect to be able to find them giving an unqualified put down of all Pharisaic notions. The best anyone has been able to show to date is a put down of a specific tradition or two.” <<

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You really need to do more thoughtful reading of God's word!

Matthew 15 is a total rebuke of all the Pharisees said and did:

[1] Then came to Jesus scribes and Pharisees, which were of Jerusalem, saying,
[2] Why do thy disciples transgress the tradition of the elders? for they wash not their hands when they eat bread.
[3] But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition?
[4] For God commanded, saying, Honour thy father and mother: and, He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death.
[5] But ye say, Whosoever shall say to his father or his mother, It is a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me;
[6] And honour not his father or his mother, he shall be free. Thus have ye made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition.
[7] Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying,
[8] This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.
[9] But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
[10] And he called the multitude, and said unto them, Hear, and understand:
[11] Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man.
[12] Then came his disciples, and said unto him, Knowest thou that the Pharisees were offended, after they heard this saying?
[13] But he answered and said, Every plant, which my heavenly Father hath not planted, shall be rooted up.
[14] Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch.
And Matthew 23 is again a total rebuke of the Pharisees and their false commandments:
[1] Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples,
[2] Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses’ seat:
[3] All therefore whatsoever they He* bids you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.
[4] For they bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men's shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers.
[5] But all their works they do for to be seen of men: they make broad their phylacteries, and enlarge the borders of their garments,
[6] And love the uppermost rooms at feasts, and the chief seats in the synagogues,
[7] And greetings in the markets, and to be called of men, Rabbi, Rabbi.
[8] But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren.
[9] And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.
[10] Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, even Christ.
[11] But he that is greatest among you shall be your servant.
[12] And whosoever shall exalt himself shall be abased; and he that shall humble himself shall be exalted.
[13] But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in.
[14] Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye devour widows’ houses, and for a pretence make long prayer: therefore ye shall receive the greater damnation.
[15] Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.
[16] Woe unto you, ye blind guides, which say, Whosoever shall swear by the temple, it is nothing; but whosoever shall swear by the gold of the temple, he is a debtor!
[17] Ye fools and blind: for whether is greater, the gold, or the temple that sanctifieth the gold?
[18] And, Whosoever shall swear by the altar, it is nothing; but whosoever sweareth by the gift that is upon it, he is guilty.
[19] Ye fools and blind: for whether is greater, the gift, or the altar that sanctifieth the gift?
[20] Whoso therefore shall swear by the altar, sweareth by it, and by all things thereon.
[21] And whoso shall swear by the temple, sweareth by it, and by him that dwelleth therein.
[22] And he that shall swear by heaven, sweareth by the throne of God, and by him that sitteth thereon.
[23] Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.
[24] Ye blind guides, which strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel.
[25] Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye make clean the outside of the cup and of the platter, but within they are full of extortion and excess.
[26] Thou blind Pharisee, cleanse first that which is within the cup and platter, that the outside of them may be clean also.
[27] Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness.
[28] Even so ye also outwardly appear righteous unto men, but within ye are full of hypocrisy and iniquity.
[29] Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because ye build the tombs of the prophets, and garnish the sepulchres of the righteous,
[30] And say, If we had been in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets.
[31] Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets.
[32] Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers.
[33] Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?
[34] Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city:
[35] That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.
[36] Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation.
[37] O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!
[38] Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.
[39] For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.


How many woes does it take to convince you that he rejected them and all they said and did?


* The original Hebrew Matthew said "He," not "they."

334 posted on 10/05/2014 11:27:15 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: vladimir998
>>Oh, so you’ve already abandoned any attempt to show sola scriptura is Biblical, right?<<

No, I haven't. Catholics are the ones who claim scripture is not the only source for doctrine. Its incumbent on them then to show any other infallible source. We know that infallible scripture shows:

Search the scriptures to determine if what is being taught is true.
If someone teaches something as doctrine that the apostles didn't teach to consider that teacher accursed by God.

So until Catholics can show another infallible source that shows the apostles taught the assumption of Mary we can be sure that the teaching is false and the teacher of that is accursed by God.

335 posted on 10/05/2014 11:27:44 AM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: NKP_Vet; BlueDragon

>> “The Catholic Church came before the gospels. End of subject. Move on.” <<

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In your dreams?

The gospel of Matthew was written before Paul was anointed an apostle.

The ‘catholic’ church came 300 years later.
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336 posted on 10/05/2014 11:31:06 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas; Rides_A_Red_Horse

The books 1Maccabees, and 2Maccabees are historical writings, not doctrinal instruction.

Their description of the defeat of Helenism and its tyranny is important history of the House of Judah, but do not take it further than what was written. It makes no claim of doctrinal authority.
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337 posted on 10/05/2014 11:40:51 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: CynicalBear; vladimir998

>>Oh, so you’ve already abandoned any attempt to show sola scriptura is Biblical, right?<<

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The epistles to Timothy leave no room for anything that was not written in the ancient Hebrew scriptures.

Yeshua’s words “it is written,” so often repeated, do the same.
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338 posted on 10/05/2014 11:44:11 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: CynicalBear

“No, I haven’t. Catholics are the ones who claim scripture is not the only source for doctrine.”

Scripture claims that: http://www.stjohn17v20-21.com/solscr01.htm

“Its incumbent on them then to show any other infallible source. We know that infallible scripture shows:”

This is what Scripture shows: http://www.stjohn17v20-21.com/solscr01.htm

“So until Catholics can show another infallible source that shows the apostles taught the assumption of Mary we can be sure that the teaching is false and the teacher of that is accursed by God.”

That’s not a logical deduction by any means.

1) Can you even tell me what books - according to sola scriptura - are, in fact, inspired?

2) Orthodox Christians - unlike Protestants who base their theology on their whims - believe the Church to be infallible. Thus, according to the standard you yourself are now demanding, the Church’s own teaching on the Assumption of Mary must be accepted by you as an infallible source on the Assumption of Mary. What most anti-Catholics will do to get out of this logical trap of their own creation is to then deny that the Church is infallible. But no sectarian can definitely make such a statement with any accuracy or authority.

Protestantism is a sectarian movement invented by Luther on the cloaca. It has no authority from God, Scripture, or the Church. It is merely a man-made heretical movement.


339 posted on 10/05/2014 11:49:24 AM PDT by vladimir998
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To: metmom; NKP_Vet

>> “Without the Catholic Church, FOUNDED by Christ, you would have (no) idea who Christ is. You will still be praying to the sun gods.” <<

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LOL!

Catholicism is sun god worship from top to bottom.

What do they think the ‘eucharist’ is?

What do they think Mithra’s ‘sign of the cross’ is?

One could laugh all day over catholics posts were it not so tragic.
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340 posted on 10/05/2014 11:51:55 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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