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To: JOAT
>>Should we assume there were no devout Jews in this crowd?<<

Not Germain to this conversation prior to the death and ressurection of Christ the entire nation was Judged on the Faithfulness of the Priests. It was the priests who were in charge of keeping the teaching pure and error or paganisms out. The Priest offered the once a year sacrifice etc. Christ was the sacrifice once for all and it is no longer the entire nation but individuals in it that answer. An example of that can be found in the diilferent churches in Revelation. Even if the church itself has strayed there were individuals singled out who had not.

>>However, God judges nations at the time of their transgressions.<<

Not the faithful individuals. Witness Lot and His family. Also the promise to keep us from wrath.

>>He judges individuals at the Great White Throne.<<

The white throne judgment is for the saved to determine level of reward.

>>We do incur physical consequences for living in a Fallen society.<<

You don't believe God when He said we would be kept from the wrath to come?

33 posted on 10/02/2014 3:09:33 PM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: CynicalBear
>>He judges individuals at the Great White Throne.<<
The white throne judgment is for the saved to determine level of reward.

Really? What do you make of Matthew 25:31-46? Seems plain that our Lord is judging EVERYONE.

Hebrew 4:13 Nothing in all creation is hidden from God’s sight. Everything is uncovered and laid bare before the eyes of him to whom we must give account.

Matthew 12:36-37 But I tell you that everyone will have to give account on the day of judgment for every empty word they have spoken. 37 For by your words you will be acquitted, and by your words you will be condemned.”

I see nothing here about "levels of reward" but the text does address a judging for salvation based upon whether or not we were OBEDIENT.

Thankfully, we have the best defense attorney, Jesus Christ, who gets us off when we are obviously guilty through his own blood sacrifice.

Those who were not obedient have to answer for their crimes with no defense attorney.

You are correct regarding Christ being the once and for all sacrifice, however that does not change the fact that believers in both new and old covenants have suffered the 'side effects' of God's Wrath. That does not mean they stand condemned, which you seem to think it would indicate, but it does indicate we can feel the effects of being in a society that has spurned God.

When this nation is humbled by God for loving baby murder through abortion and 'sanctifying' sodomites 'marrying' each other, do you think we will feel any effects? Of course we will. That doesn't mean we stand condemned, but our nation sure can.

35 posted on 10/02/2014 3:57:51 PM PDT by JOAT
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To: CynicalBear
The white throne judgment is for the saved to determine level of reward.

There is only one judgement for all. Where do you get this there is multiple judgements, multiple returns of Jesus, multiple weddings of Jesus and his bride, multiple resurrection of our physical bodies? Please show scriptures.

41 posted on 10/03/2014 11:07:44 AM PDT by free_life (If you ask Jesus to forgive you and to save you, He will.)
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