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To: CynicalBear
>>He judges individuals at the Great White Throne.<<
The white throne judgment is for the saved to determine level of reward.

Really? What do you make of Matthew 25:31-46? Seems plain that our Lord is judging EVERYONE.

Hebrew 4:13 Nothing in all creation is hidden from God’s sight. Everything is uncovered and laid bare before the eyes of him to whom we must give account.

Matthew 12:36-37 But I tell you that everyone will have to give account on the day of judgment for every empty word they have spoken. 37 For by your words you will be acquitted, and by your words you will be condemned.”

I see nothing here about "levels of reward" but the text does address a judging for salvation based upon whether or not we were OBEDIENT.

Thankfully, we have the best defense attorney, Jesus Christ, who gets us off when we are obviously guilty through his own blood sacrifice.

Those who were not obedient have to answer for their crimes with no defense attorney.

You are correct regarding Christ being the once and for all sacrifice, however that does not change the fact that believers in both new and old covenants have suffered the 'side effects' of God's Wrath. That does not mean they stand condemned, which you seem to think it would indicate, but it does indicate we can feel the effects of being in a society that has spurned God.

When this nation is humbled by God for loving baby murder through abortion and 'sanctifying' sodomites 'marrying' each other, do you think we will feel any effects? Of course we will. That doesn't mean we stand condemned, but our nation sure can.

35 posted on 10/02/2014 3:57:51 PM PDT by JOAT
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To: JOAT
>>What do you make of Matthew 25:31-46?<<

That takes place after the battle of Armageddon at the end of the tribulation. The "bride of Christ" has been in heaven with Him for seven years and then returned with Him to defeat the armies of Satan. There are those who have accepted Christ during that time and survived to the end. They will live on to repopulate the earth during the 1000 year reign. The "goats will be cast into the abis.

>>Matthew 12:36-37 But I tell you that everyone will have to give account on the day of judgment for every empty word they have spoken. 37 For by your words you will be acquitted, and by your words you will be condemned.”<<

Have your words been that you rely on Jesus alone for your salvation or have your words indicated you rely on what you have done?

>>I see nothing here about "levels of reward" but the text does address a judging for salvation based upon whether or not we were OBEDIENT.<<

So you think that Christ died for our sins but we still pay for them?

John 6:28 Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God? 29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.

>>That does not mean they stand condemned, which you seem to think it would indicate, but it does indicate we can feel the effects of being in a society that has spurned God.<<

You don't believe His promise to keep us from His wrath and that we are not appointed to it?

36 posted on 10/02/2014 4:36:14 PM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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