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1 posted on 10/02/2014 7:54:42 AM PDT by Laissez-faire capitalist
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What say you?


2 posted on 10/02/2014 7:54:57 AM PDT by Laissez-faire capitalist
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

“No religion condones the killing of innocents.”

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But in the eyes of Islam, non-Muslims are all infidels and therefore guilty and deserve death.


3 posted on 10/02/2014 8:06:56 AM PDT by 353FMG
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

How about the Jews entering the Promised Land?


5 posted on 10/02/2014 8:08:04 AM PDT by Lake Living
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Muslims don’t kill innocent people but you need to understand what the definition of innocent is. According to the koran & the hadiths only muslims are considered innocent. The people of the book are apostates and other religions are pagans worthy only of enslavement or slaughter and deserve to receive what they get.


10 posted on 10/02/2014 8:20:43 AM PDT by bonehead4freedom
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Words do mean things... and words do mean things.

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some people deserve killing, that is why the commandment says though shalt not commit murder.

murder being the killing of an innocent...

not an infidel or apostate.

t


15 posted on 10/02/2014 8:34:50 AM PDT by teeman8r (Armageddon won't be pretty, but it's not like it's the end of the world.)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist
The only problem with this is that it leaves Christians open to the charge that true Christians have (for example) bombed abortion clinics

Lets compare the number of murders, rapes, kidnappings and bombings committed by Muslims in the name of Islam since 1977 against the number of murders, rapes, kidnappings and bombings committed by abortion protesters during the same period. (And let's assume for the sake of argument that all anti-abortion crimes are committed by self-avowed Christians.)

According to Wikipedia:

Murders

In the U.S., violence directed towards abortion providers has killed at least eight people, including four doctors, two clinic employees, a security guard, and a clinic escort.

Attempted Murders

According to statistics gathered by the National Abortion Federation (NAF), an organization of abortion providers, since 1977 in the United States and Canada, there have been 17 attempted murders, 383 death threats, 153 incidents of assault or battery, and 3 kidnappings committed against abortion providers.

Bombings

According to NAF, since 1977 in the United States and Canada, property crimes committed against abortion providers have included 41 bombings, 173 arsons, 91 attempted bombings or arsons, 619 bomb threats, 1630 incidents of trespassing, 1264 incidents of vandalism, and 100 attacks with butyric acid ("stink bombs"). The New York Times also cites over one hundred clinic bombings and incidents of arson, over three hundred invasions, and over four hundred incidents of vandalism between 1978 and 1993. The first clinic arson occurred in Oregon in March 1976 and the first bombing occurred in February 1978 in Ohio.

I'll leave it to others to research the number of murders, rapes, kidnappings and bombings committed by committed Muslims, with the explicit approval and urging of Islamic imams -- not to mention the actual behavior of the scumbag "prophet" Mohammed and his benighted army of thug followers.

How many people did Jesus kill? How many actual Christian ministers urge their followers to kill abortionists?

20 posted on 10/02/2014 8:46:50 AM PDT by Maceman
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Explicitly out of context, many scholars have interpreted John 13:35 in a way that may apply to this conversation:

(NAS) "By this all men will know that you are My disciples, if you have love for one another."

Thus, aside from what is often the too-casual quick read some insist Christ was specific, He was reliably reported to have said "all men" (i.e., the world, including Christians in the world, or 'the land of the living') are given the right to assess the authenticity of of Christian discipleship based upon the love manifest among them; a remarkable responsibility, when you think about it. If one takes this as a given, regardless of whether the love, or lack thereof, can be attributed to known or known-but-to-God individuals or groups of Christians, with regard to "one another" may be a stumbling block or compelling evangelism.

More to the point, the question is whether this provides "all men" with a way to adjudicate authentic Christianity. If so, it's unlikely to be accepted as such in any of the world's marketplaces, but it does raise the point among those who study our scriptures, honestly or dishonestly.

28 posted on 10/02/2014 8:59:29 AM PDT by Prospero (Si Deus trucido mihi, ego etiam fides Deus.)
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Don’t get framed into Obama’s idiocy, or the author’s trap.

Muslims do what they do because their religion dictates it. Christians sometimes do things Christ would not have them do. There are no comparisons between Christianity and Islam, either in spiritual context, or when it comes to creating and influencing peaceful, survivable civilizations.

Why does a Muslim commit an act of terrorism? It isn’t complicated. They do it because jihad frees them from penalty of sin. What they do to the infidels is not only forgiven, but it causes their shortcomings as good Muslims to washed away. Bomb an airplane full of infidels, and be assured a place in Allah’s paradise.

Christians can and do get carried away with passion for human life and souls. The genocide we are carrying out against our children is enough to distress anyone, so the idea that a Christian, or someone identifying themselves as Christian, might blow up an abortion clinic, isn’t hard to understand. Even though the alleged Christian is doing a wrong thing, especially if he kills people, he is doing it out of compassion for innocent life on some level. There might be a notion that Christ will forgive, but not one expecting Christ to approve and reward.


32 posted on 10/02/2014 9:10:54 AM PDT by pallis
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The Bible vs The Koran

One is a book of love and tolerance, Hate the Sin, Love the Sinner)

The other is a book of Hate & Intolerance, Convert, Pay or Die.

38 posted on 10/02/2014 9:45:40 AM PDT by TexasCajun
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For years, islam has had the luxury of keeping its books in their original language (Arabic) and concealing from the world its actual contents. Add to that mountains of hadiths and commentaries, also in Arabic which condone child abuse, wife-beating, murder, incest, slavery and other evil things. Now, with the availability of translating software, the Internet, and Instant communications, westerners are beginning to see what is REALLY in the Koran. There are those, however, who will cling to the “Third great Monotheistic Religion of Peace that worships the God of Abraham” nonsense.

Meanwhile, since St. Jerome translated the Bible into Latin, The Hebrew and Christian Scriptures have been translated into over 500 languages (and counting!). It has been subjected to Historical, Literary, Textual, Redactive, and other forms of “higher” criticism, and still says what it did 2000 years ago.

We also are able to reconcile the more violent aspects of the OT with the historical period in which they occurred. I don’t think any Christian or Jew advocates wiping out entire populations anymore.

But imams preach this very thing every Friday afternoon.

And THAT’S the difference.


39 posted on 10/02/2014 9:45:42 AM PDT by left that other site (You shall know the Truth, and The Truth Shall Set You Free.)
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